[WIP] Playable PT-109 Elco MTB - Page 7

sqk7744 · 07-15-08, 02:07 PM

Nice work DT

What do you think of the ROF for the dual 40mm Bofors?

Digital_Trucker · 07-15-08, 03:37 PM

The ROF on the dual? As Chevy Chase said in "Modern Problems"

"IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII LIKE it!"

Hylander_1314 · 07-16-08, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Vlad

Guys, when it comes to missions, don't overlook the Atlantic and Med. There were lots of PT actions 'round Sicily, Italy, the south coast of France during Operation Dragoon, etc.

But a Higgins 78ft boat would be more accurate in those theaters, as they were used more than the Elco boats in those waters.

sqk7744 · 07-16-08, 03:01 PM

Roger that

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

The ROF on the dual? As Chevy Chase said in "Modern Problems"

"IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII LIKE it!"

Charlielima · 07-23-08, 12:56 PM

Just loaded the beta and took the boat out for a spin. The boat speed and 40 mike mike was quite delightfull. The Elco boat just as a PTGB is quite lethal. I can't wait until you get the gun imagery fine tuned and the who shoots at what and when thing done. CL

woofiedog · 07-25-08, 08:47 AM

What else can you say... This is One Hec of a Blast! LoL

Fantastic work on this project... about the only thing I would ask for... is a bigger bow splash.

Can't say it enough for this addon... Thank's

WalterJConklin · 07-25-08, 09:56 AM

Hey guys,

Did this PT-109 boat carry depth charges? If that is the case, I was wondering if you had any success with creating operatable depth charges. Walter

keltos01 · 07-25-08, 10:08 AM

are there AI submarines that dive and move underwater then ?

superb ship btw, PT 109 was one of my favorite books back in the days

sqk7744 · 07-25-08, 12:37 PM

DT, take a bow sir!

spike12 · 07-25-08, 01:37 PM

Hmmm...the port&starbord AAgun tubs seem a mite...big

.But other than that ,looks o.k

Digital_Trucker · 07-25-08, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlielima

Just loaded the beta and took the boat out for a spin. The boat speed and 40 mike mike was quite delightfull. The Elco boat just as a PTGB is quite lethal. I can't wait until you get the gun imagery fine tuned and the who shoots at what and when thing done. CL

The who shoots at what will probably end up being the way it is now. AA at planes and DG at ships. As fragile as this boat is going to end up being when the damage modeling gets done, I don't think we want to take a chance on any of the gunners getting stuck on shooting at the wrong kind of target.

Quote:

Originally Posted by woofiedog

What else can you say... This is One Hec of a Blast! LoL

Fantastic work on this project... about the only thing I would ask for... is a bigger bow splash.

Can't say it enough for this addon... Thank's

Yep, the bow splash definitely needs work. Gonna have to figure out the particle generators to get that one closer to reality.

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Originally Posted by WalterJConklin

Hey guys,

Did this PT-109 boat carry depth charges? If that is the case, I was wondering if you had any success with creating operatable depth charges. Walter

Haven't even given it a shot yet. I think the only use for them would be for a multiplayer scenario in which PTs were trying to protect a ship from submarines and I don't think that was one of their roles (although I could be dead wrong about that)

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Originally Posted by keltos01

are there AI submarines that dive and move underwater then ?

superb ship btw, PT 109 was one of my favorite books back in the days

I don't know if the AI subs do any diving or if they could be set to operate at a particular depth. If the AI subs act anything like the AI ships do sometimes, it would probably dive to about 1000 feet and never be seen again

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Originally Posted by sqk7744

DT, take a bow sir!

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Originally Posted by spike12

Hmmm...the port&starbord AAgun tubs seem a mite...big .But other than that ,looks o.k

And there is where we're kinda stuck as far as proceeding

. We kinda have to make a choice and, personally, I'm not sure which is the best way to go. As far as I can tell, the boat itself is scaled correctly. It appears that the crewmen are scaled a little bit "larger than life" and they certainly take up a lot of space when manning the AA guns. Notice how close they are to the sides of the tubs when they are rotating to get into firing position. Then take a look at where the sides of the tubs are. Without the tubs, the crewmen look a lot like they're in the "Philadelphia Experiment" (their bodies pass through parts of the boat as they swing around).

There's 4 (that I know of) solutions to the problem (in order of perceived difficulty):

Put them in elevated tubs, like we've done and try to overlook the size.
Scale the boat up a little so that the crewmen have room to move around and hope that you don't notice how big the boat is compared to other vessels.
Modify the deck structure so that the men don't run into anything.
Scale the weapons (and possibly the crewmen) down a little bit so that they don't run into things.

The third choice is probably where we're headed because I just don't like the deck structure much anyway. That's gonna take a bit of thought and 3D work to get everything right.

Anyway, it's all still being pondered and we're glad the current version is getting some time in the ocean.

WalterJConklin · 07-25-08, 03:24 PM

I read somewhere, after I made my first post, that the Pts did have depth charges. Xantroles, forget how to spell his name, was working on creating a set of opertable depth charges. He said he doesn't have experience with modeling the particles effect of the explosion though.

Digital_Trucker · 07-25-08, 03:28 PM

I remember Mr X (easier to spell that way

) trying to get those sorted out. I thought that part of the problem was that they were modified torpedos and were duds, but I haven't kept up with it. Guess, I need to do some more reading

woofiedog · 07-25-08, 03:31 PM

A few shots of the PT 617... I took back in 2005 at Battleship Cove, Fall River, Massachusetts.

Digital_Trucker · 07-25-08, 06:23 PM

Thanks for sharing those, woofie

That gives me an idea that may solve part of the "huge tubs" problem. If I made the tubs similar to the ones in the pix (well, technically, they wouldn't be tubs any more), e.g. made tubular railing instead of straight sides, perhaps they wouldn't be so humongous looking. Will have to get back to the 3D programs and give that a try. Muchos gracias, mein freund

07-15-08, 02:07 PM	#91
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Nice work DT What do you think of the ROF for the dual 40mm Bofors? __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial

07-15-08, 03:37 PM	#92
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	The ROF on the dual? As Chevy Chase said in "Modern Problems" "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII LIKE it!" __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

07-23-08, 12:56 PM	#95
Charlielima Gunner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Schnell Boote Land Posts: 97 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Just loaded the beta and took the boat out for a spin. The boat speed and 40 mike mike was quite delightfull. The Elco boat just as a PTGB is quite lethal. I can't wait until you get the gun imagery fine tuned and the who shoots at what and when thing done. CL __________________

07-25-08, 08:47 AM	#96
woofiedog Engineer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New England Posts: 216 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	What else can you say... This is One Hec of a Blast! LoL Fantastic work on this project... about the only thing I would ask for... is a bigger bow splash. Can't say it enough for this addon... Thank's __________________

07-25-08, 09:56 AM	#97
WalterJConklin Mate Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 52 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Hey guys, Did this PT-109 boat carry depth charges? If that is the case, I was wondering if you had any success with creating operatable depth charges. Walter Last edited by WalterJConklin; 07-25-08 at 10:17 AM.

07-25-08, 10:08 AM	#98
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	are there AI submarines that dive and move underwater then ? superb ship btw, PT 109 was one of my favorite books back in the days __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

07-25-08, 12:37 PM	#99
sqk7744 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ~About 60' below Posts: 1,150 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	DT, take a bow sir! __________________ " All Ships can dive, but only Submarine's surface!" MODS: KillFlags - Elco PT109 - AOB Attack Course Tutorial

07-25-08, 01:37 PM	#100
spike12 Gunner Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 98 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Hmmm...the port&starbord AAgun tubs seem a mite...big.But other than that ,looks o.k

07-25-08, 03:24 PM	#102
WalterJConklin Mate Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 52 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	I read somewhere, after I made my first post, that the Pts did have depth charges. Xantroles, forget how to spell his name, was working on creating a set of opertable depth charges. He said he doesn't have experience with modeling the particles effect of the explosion though.

07-25-08, 03:28 PM	#103
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	I remember Mr X (easier to spell that way) trying to get those sorted out. I thought that part of the problem was that they were modified torpedos and were duds, but I haven't kept up with it. Guess, I need to do some more reading __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

07-25-08, 03:31 PM	#104
woofiedog Engineer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New England Posts: 216 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	A few shots of the PT 617... I took back in 2005 at Battleship Cove, Fall River, Massachusetts. __________________

07-25-08, 06:23 PM	#105
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Thanks for sharing those, woofie That gives me an idea that may solve part of the "huge tubs" problem. If I made the tubs similar to the ones in the pix (well, technically, they wouldn't be tubs any more), e.g. made tubular railing instead of straight sides, perhaps they wouldn't be so humongous looking. Will have to get back to the 3D programs and give that a try. Muchos gracias, mein freund __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.