[REL] FOTRS Ultimate Project - Page 327

propbeanie · 07-06-17, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Dave J. Harper

... how do i install large address aware ... i should note my install is defult to steam ...

FotRSU is just like all the other mods, and will work under certain (most) conditions. Where do you have SH4 installed? You do NOT want to be in your Program Files (x86) directory - er, folder. A page or two ago, I did this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...91#post2496891

... so manage your install via the Steam interface and stay away from a Windows Protected folder. Then point your browser at CapnScurvy's Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Install for everything you ever wanted to know about installing Windows 10, SH4, and LAA, all in one thread. It's full of useful info even if you don't use Win10... He's got most of his pictures back up in that after the Photobucket fiasco...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

24#^&%#@!!!! I missed it!
--- graph ---

How did you miss that?...

- I posted about it I'll bet a half-dozen times...

Great price, eh? There's gotta be a reason for that, either a Steam killer, or MS is up to no good...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jldjs

Propbeanie, you asked "btw, is anyone doing an Alaskan campaign?..."
Do you mean the War Patrols to the Aleutions ?
Or is there an Alaskan Campaign ?
I've played a couple of those War Patrols, no problems so far.

We definitely need it all run through, and I was reasonably certain that cdrsubron7's Single (Quick) Missions would work, and that the Patrols that Cgrimes had made would also, but I'm mostly worried about the Campaign. It's using a "hybrid" traffic layer that I'm curious how well it will work.

To get to it, from the menu, where you choose your "Date", scroll on down below the last of the war, and there is the Alaskan Campaign and the two New Construction choices. The plan is to move those choices down below before release - maybe...

07-07-17, 10:32 AM

Gentlemen and Modder's, I personally thank all of you for the improvements made in the FOTRSU Mod that we have to date! I have lots of free time on my hands and play this game daily, probably 3-4 hrs. I don't comment much on this forum because most of my concerns are the same as the people who do. However, in regards to the Large Address Aware (LAA) usage I am wondering if there is a positive way to verify that it activated and working properly other than just assuming it is when installed correctly to the game directory? I have noticed through the use of Widows 10 "Task Manager", when "opening" LAA.exe it does indeed show the App is running, but if you then close LAA.exe the App drops out of windows task manager? But if you leave it open in a window on the desktop or "minimize" it, task manager confirms that it is running while you are playing SH-4,FOTRSU. BTW, with the latest version of FOTRSU 6.2 I have not had any CTD's or fail to save issues even without the use of LAA! Any comments would be greatly appreciated!
captnmike: System:Gateway FX-6800,IntelCorei7-920,9-GB DDR3,Invidia GT-610(2GB)VRM, Window10-64bit.

propbeanie · 07-07-17, 12:06 PM

The LAA applet just sets some bits in an executable file that tells the OS that the altered executable file can access over 2gig of system RAM. Once the executable is 'set' by LAA, the LAA applet is no longer needed. If you run LAA again though, you should be able to see SH4.EXE in the list, and whether or not its bits are set. Refer to CapnScurvy's thread Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Instal.

CapnScurvy · 07-07-17, 01:11 PM

To chime in with what propbeanie pointed out, LAA does its magic one time....it simply changes the games "sh4.exe" file (the Execution file) that starts the game. It doesn't run in the background doing something that needs to be kept going.

You can tell whether LAA has done its thing by simply checking in the LAA "Advanced" menu and seeing if "True" is under the LAA column for your correct game path:

Outside of eliminating issues with a past game, you won't really see a difference except maybe looking at the sh4.exe file itself and noticing a new "Modified" date for the file.

Two things, read the LAA thread. The creator is still active on this forum page. If you have specific questions he can help.

Use the correct version for the .netFramework that's installed on your computer. There are two different versions of LAA depending on the .netFramework version your OS uses. To learn more about how to check....go to the Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Install.

07-07-17, 03:08 PM

propbeanie and CapnScurvy,
Thanks for your reply and I do believe I'm using the correct version (64-bit) LAA. And my registry shows I have "Netframework v4.0 so guess everything is working correctly, but wish there was a better way to verify that it truly is controlling the exe. that is enabled?
Thanks, captnmike

propbeanie · 07-07-17, 03:42 PM

There is no "controlling the exe" - once it's set, it's set. Think of it like a mailbox out front on the street, and you've set the mail flag up. Only difference is, the flag stays up and gets checked every time the program runs. Look at CapnScurvy's picture in the post above yours. If you look at the SH4.EXE file in the list, and it has "True" under the LAA column, you're good to go. If not, check the "Attributes" under the SH4.exe file Properties page, and make sure it is NOT set to "Read-only", else the LAA settings won't take.

Immelmann · 07-07-17, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by captnmike

but wish there was a better way to verify that it truly is controlling the exe. that is enabled?

Quote:

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Only difference is, the flag stays up and gets checked every time the program runs.

Couldn't you open task manager, with SH4 running, click the performance tab, and then be able to see a larger amount of RAM being utilized than before LAA was applied?

propbeanie · 07-08-17, 07:19 AM

There are some utilities out there that can give you a graphical image of the percentage of RAM a program uses, but the MS Task Manager is basically an "Overview" kind of thang. I'm not sure you'd be able to isolate the SH4 exe and it's associated processes enough to see a change in footprint, unless you do a "before and after" snapshot of the same Windows boot, and compare them.

By running the LAA applet a 2nd time, you can see whether or not the SH4.EXE is set "TRUE" under the LAA column. If it is, it's being "advertised" to Windows that it is capable of addressing more than 2 Gig of RAM. Windows still is the memory manager though, and will allocate based upon its perceived "need". So if Windows says "I need more RAM for the Windows Update process." It will allocate more RAM for it, at the expense of the rest of the computer. Even still though, SH4.EXE, with that TRUE in the LAA column, as illustrated in CapnScurvy's screen grab, tells you that it is enabled, and that's all that we're concerned about from here. Windows does the rest.

If you need to free more system resources, there are little "game starter" applets that can kill Windows processes as you load SH4.EXE, and then re-enable said processes when you exit from the SH4.EXE process. Caution must be exercised when using them, and I'll tell you right now that a Win10 user may well end up with a black screen, flashing cursor up in the upper left corner. If used, you definitely want one written for your OS. LAA should suffice for most systems, probably in the 99% of Windows users range.

fitzcarraldo · 07-08-17, 07:32 AM

When you wrote LAA It seems it is not the same of 4Gb Patch.

Ever I use 4Gb patch in SH4 modded. You need to unckeck Read Only in properties for SH4.exe. Also run it with Administrator Rights and Windows 7 compatibilty ( I have W10 home basic). When applied 4Gb Patch the app generates a backup of your exe in the SH4 folder and the modified SH4.exe takes the data of conversion and not original SH4.exe from 2007.

Also I use d3dx dll antilag by Kegetys fixed to 35 FPS and 3 frames prerendered. AA 4x4 and 16x Anisotropic all via NVidia Inspector (overriding application settings). AA compatibility 0×2000000 (Need for Speed etc).

These is more than sufficient for a good performance in FOTRSU and TMO. The " fire test" is the Museum. FOTRSU and TMO without 4Gb Patch don't charge and CTD. My museum in FOTRSU open totally without CTD.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

Larrywb57 · 07-08-17, 07:47 AM

I came across something that needs to be reported. As I was returning from patrol, came across two ships, the first was a 'Medium European Composite' and the second was a' Large Old Tanker'. The first ship looked normal, but the second one lacked detail. The sides of the ship were normal but, the deck and top of superstructure were white and showed no rigging. At the same, my boat was a Tambor Class, USS Thresher (USS-200) based out of Fremantle , Australia. Position of the sighting, Long 125° 22'E Lat 05° 14'S. The two ship convey was on a course of 42° at seven knots.

Upon returning to base, I accepted a new class of submarine, Gar Class, USS Grampus (USS 207). One of the upgrades that I purchased was a bow mounted 4 inch .05 caliber gun.

But received an alt mounted gun.

The new version 0.62 running great. No problems when switching from version 0.61. I just continue to follow the good Capn Scurvy advice from
post # 7 of [TEC] Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 in this thread.

Good Luck and Good Hunting,
Larry

End of Report

fitzcarraldo · 07-08-17, 07:53 AM

@CapnScurvy: is there some possibility of a complete OTC addon for FOTRSU? I miss it from TMO...I'm trying to use cameras.dat from OTC TMO RSRDC in FOTRSU. I like the all free external camera from OTC. In fact I applied it in GFO OTC with OK results.

Also: I like (as TMO) the 3D TDC and not the radio room for UBoat.

Could be all these as addons mods in next updates for FOTRSU?

Many Thanks!

Fitzcarraldo

Rockin Robbins · 07-08-17, 09:21 AM

Thanks Larry for your report!

CapnScurvy · 07-08-17, 10:38 AM

Larrywb57, so it was the Large Old Tanker that had an issue with its upper deck texture? Do you remember what the date/year was when you encountered it?

This Gar boat seems to have more problems than the others with upgrades.....I wonder what's going on??

================

Fitzcarraldo, remind me what is the difference between the OTC for TMO External Camera, compared to the External Camera from Fotrs Ultimate? What do you see that's more likeable? I thought I had them pretty much the same, but I can be wrong.

s7rikeback · 07-08-17, 10:51 AM

Larrywb57,

Also did you notice what flag was it flying please ?
As this vessel is in nine different rosters..

propbeanie · 07-08-17, 11:13 AM

Besides the date and the flag...

- you say "on a course of 42° at seven knots". Is that "traveling toward" the 42, or traveling away from 42? Was that in relation to your sub, or the chart? (just to be certain) I found a GENERIC Freighter and GENERIC Tanker group out of Davao in the Merchants layers, that travels on that line in the area, but on a heading of about 212... Another out of Manila travels on like a 100 heading, but may have been trying to avoid you... were you spotted? In all cases, there is no zig-zagging in the area, because of the strates.

07-07-17, 12:06 PM	#4893
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,743 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	The LAA applet just sets some bits in an executable file that tells the OS that the altered executable file can access over 2gig of system RAM. Once the executable is 'set' by LAA, the LAA applet is no longer needed. If you run LAA again though, you should be able to see SH4.EXE in the list, and whether or not its bits are set. Refer to CapnScurvy's thread Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 Instal. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

07-07-17, 03:42 PM	#4896
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,743 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	There is no "controlling the exe" - once it's set, it's set. Think of it like a mailbox out front on the street, and you've set the mail flag up. Only difference is, the flag stays up and gets checked every time the program runs. Look at CapnScurvy's picture in the post above yours. If you look at the SH4.EXE file in the list, and it has "True" under the LAA column, you're good to go. If not, check the "Attributes" under the SH4.exe file Properties page, and make sure it is NOT set to "Read-only", else the LAA settings won't take. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

07-08-17, 07:19 AM	#4898
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,743 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	There are some utilities out there that can give you a graphical image of the percentage of RAM a program uses, but the MS Task Manager is basically an "Overview" kind of thang. I'm not sure you'd be able to isolate the SH4 exe and it's associated processes enough to see a change in footprint, unless you do a "before and after" snapshot of the same Windows boot, and compare them. By running the LAA applet a 2nd time, you can see whether or not the SH4.EXE is set "TRUE" under the LAA column. If it is, it's being "advertised" to Windows that it is capable of addressing more than 2 Gig of RAM. Windows still is the memory manager though, and will allocate based upon its perceived "need". So if Windows says "I need more RAM for the Windows Update process." It will allocate more RAM for it, at the expense of the rest of the computer. Even still though, SH4.EXE, with that TRUE in the LAA column, as illustrated in CapnScurvy's screen grab, tells you that it is enabled, and that's all that we're concerned about from here. Windows does the rest. If you need to free more system resources, there are little "game starter" applets that can kill Windows processes as you load SH4.EXE, and then re-enable said processes when you exit from the SH4.EXE process. Caution must be exercised when using them, and I'll tell you right now that a Win10 user may well end up with a black screen, flashing cursor up in the upper left corner. If used, you definitely want one written for your OS. LAA should suffice for most systems, probably in the 99% of Windows users range. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

07-08-17, 07:47 AM	#4900
Larrywb57 Tazmanian Devil Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NC Posts: 223 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	I came across something that needs to be reported. As I was returning from patrol, came across two ships, the first was a 'Medium European Composite' and the second was a' Large Old Tanker'. The first ship looked normal, but the second one lacked detail. The sides of the ship were normal but, the deck and top of superstructure were white and showed no rigging. At the same, my boat was a Tambor Class, USS Thresher (USS-200) based out of Fremantle , Australia. Position of the sighting, Long 125° 22'E Lat 05° 14'S. The two ship convey was on a course of 42° at seven knots. Upon returning to base, I accepted a new class of submarine, Gar Class, USS Grampus (USS 207). One of the upgrades that I purchased was a bow mounted 4 inch .05 caliber gun. But received an alt mounted gun. The new version 0.62 running great. No problems when switching from version 0.61. I just continue to follow the good Capn Scurvy advice from post # 7 of [TEC] Windows10; Large Address Aware; SH4 in this thread. Good Luck and Good Hunting, Larry End of Report __________________ Win 10 64-bit│AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Quad-Core Processor 16.0GB Ram│ NVIDO GeForce GTX 650 Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157 [C:\Ubisoft\Wolves of the Pacific\MODS] C:\...100_FalloftheRisingSun_Ultimate_v.1.8

07-08-17, 09:21 AM	#4902
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Thanks Larry for your report! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

07-07-17, 10:32 AM	#4892
captnmike Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Gentlemen and Modder's, I personally thank all of you for the improvements made in the FOTRSU Mod that we have to date! I have lots of free time on my hands and play this game daily, probably 3-4 hrs. I don't comment much on this forum because most of my concerns are the same as the people who do. However, in regards to the Large Address Aware (LAA) usage I am wondering if there is a positive way to verify that it activated and working properly other than just assuming it is when installed correctly to the game directory? I have noticed through the use of Widows 10 "Task Manager", when "opening" LAA.exe it does indeed show the App is running, but if you then close LAA.exe the App drops out of windows task manager? But if you leave it open in a window on the desktop or "minimize" it, task manager confirms that it is running while you are playing SH-4,FOTRSU. BTW, with the latest version of FOTRSU 6.2 I have not had any CTD's or fail to save issues even without the use of LAA! Any comments would be greatly appreciated! captnmike: System:Gateway FX-6800,IntelCorei7-920,9-GB DDR3,Invidia GT-610(2GB)VRM, Window10-64bit.

07-07-17, 03:08 PM	#4895
captnmike Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	propbeanie and CapnScurvy, Thanks for your reply and I do believe I'm using the correct version (64-bit) LAA. And my registry shows I have "Netframework v4.0 so guess everything is working correctly, but wish there was a better way to verify that it truly is controlling the exe. that is enabled? Thanks, captnmike

07-08-17, 07:32 AM	#4899
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,128 Downloads: 3215 Uploads: 0	When you wrote LAA It seems it is not the same of 4Gb Patch. Ever I use 4Gb patch in SH4 modded. You need to unckeck Read Only in properties for SH4.exe. Also run it with Administrator Rights and Windows 7 compatibilty ( I have W10 home basic). When applied 4Gb Patch the app generates a backup of your exe in the SH4 folder and the modified SH4.exe takes the data of conversion and not original SH4.exe from 2007. Also I use d3dx dll antilag by Kegetys fixed to 35 FPS and 3 frames prerendered. AA 4x4 and 16x Anisotropic all via NVidia Inspector (overriding application settings). AA compatibility 0×2000000 (Need for Speed etc). These is more than sufficient for a good performance in FOTRSU and TMO. The " fire test" is the Museum. FOTRSU and TMO without 4Gb Patch don't charge and CTD. My museum in FOTRSU open totally without CTD. Regards. Fitzcarraldo

07-08-17, 07:53 AM	#4901
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,128 Downloads: 3215 Uploads: 0	@CapnScurvy: is there some possibility of a complete OTC addon for FOTRSU? I miss it from TMO...I'm trying to use cameras.dat from OTC TMO RSRDC in FOTRSU. I like the all free external camera from OTC. In fact I applied it in GFO OTC with OK results. Also: I like (as TMO) the 3D TDC and not the radio room for UBoat. Could be all these as addons mods in next updates for FOTRSU? Many Thanks! Fitzcarraldo

07-08-17, 10:51 AM	#4904
s7rikeback I break things Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Merry Old England Posts: 771 Downloads: 1108 Uploads: 10	Larrywb57, Also did you notice what flag was it flying please ? As this vessel is in nine different rosters.. __________________

07-08-17, 11:13 AM	#4905
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,743 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	Besides the date and the flag... - you say "on a course of 42° at seven knots". Is that "traveling toward" the 42, or traveling away from 42? Was that in relation to your sub, or the chart? (just to be certain) I found a GENERIC Freighter and GENERIC Tanker group out of Davao in the Merchants layers, that travels on that line in the area, but on a heading of about 212... Another out of Manila travels on like a 100 heading, but may have been trying to avoid you... were you spotted? In all cases, there is no zig-zagging in the area, because of the strates. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna