The Movie Thread

[Jimbuna]

Actually on closer inspection of the picture it looks like the models have been 'chocked' to keep them in position...I'd have thought a lump of lead ballast in the hull would have been more aesthetic looking.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aye, same here.

In regards to the meeting and the model, I did find this:



But I honestly couldn't say if that's real or the set for Tora! Tora! Tora!

Being a huge original Godzilla fan I have a collection of DVDs on each DVd they have a documentary about the guys that made the film.One man (Eiji Tsuburaya)) specialized model filming during WWII he produced a film about the Pearl Harbor attack that used little models.I am fairly sure that the above picture is from the production of that film which was released in 1942.According to the documentary this film was so convincing that MacArthur and Nimitz viewed captured copies of the film and they thought it was real footage of the attack.(remember that in those days they did not have our more modern film techniques).

It looks a little crappy form that angle but when filmed at the right speed and from the correct angle it looks much more realistic.They showed several clips from the film in the documentary and it looks pretty convincing especially if you look at though the lens of what a person in that era was used to seeing on film.


The film was called "The War at Sea from Hawaii to Malay" you can find clips on the web.

Pearl Harbor attack clip it is not real so dont anyone get worked up over it.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Being a huge original Godzilla fan I have a collection of DVDs on each DVd they have a documentary about the guys that made the film.One man (do not recall his name) specialized model filming during WWII he produced a film about the Pearl Harbor attack that used little models.I am fairly sure that the above picture is from the production of that film which was released in 1942.According to the documentary this film was so convincing that MacArthur and Nimitz viewed captured copies of the film and they thought it was real footage of the attack.(remember that in those days they did not have our more modern film techniques).

That makes sense, it does look like a lot of work to have gone into something that could be equally done as a map or with less detail, although then I do remember the odd case of the scale Chinese model that Google Earth found (http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archi...cale_mode.html) so it's not inconceivable and they do add a lot to terrain awareness for an attacking force.
I guess it could equally be possible that the Japanese film production used the model that had been constructed for the film. An American paper after the war did make the claim that they had a model set up, but equally that could have again been the film set (http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=3118,2337237).
Something I guess we'll never really know, but I honestly would not put it past the Japanese to put the manpower in to such a project. They are very good at detail.


EDIT: You're spot on Stealhead, I just found this on another forum:

A captured Japanese photo shows a mockup of Pearl Harbor. This was set up after the attack to make a movie for propaganda purposes. The movie was first shown on Dec.7, 1942.

Although IIRC they did use small mock-up targets for target practice in Karisma Bay since it was geographically similar to Pearl.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

EDIT: You're spot on Stealhead, I just found this on another forum:



Although IIRC they did use small mock-up targets for target practice in Karisma Bay since it was geographically similar to Pearl.

Yes I have read a few places that they did practice in Kagoshima Bay before the attack do to its similarity to Pearl Harbor.Ironically Kagoshima Bay is not very far from Nagasaki.

I have feeling that the sets used to produce the film where reported as being used in the planning by newspapers they liked being sensational.

[Cybermat47]

Last night I watched a really good movie called Into The White, a WWII movie based on real events. It was incredibly good, and I recommend it to EVERYONE!

EDIT: I also saw Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen yesterday. It's bad enough when the good guy says "Give me your FACE!", but it's worse when it transpires that he has a face-maiming fetish in all of the movies

[Subnuts]

I bought a copy of Tora! Tora! Tora! on blu-ray the other day for $9.99 and watched it today. It's still a technical marvel, and I admire the historical accuracy of it, but darn, it's obvious that the American crew did not want to be making an epic movie about a disastrous military defeat right in the middle of the Vietnam War. The movie is a bit of a Frankenstein. You can tell the Japanese crew were a heck of a lot more enthusiastic about making the film than "we" were. The Japanese scenes play out so much more interestingly than the American scenes, which consist largely of people in flatly-lit rooms reading memos and talking. The acting by the main cast is fine, but I swear some of the bit parts were friends of the director. Some of the acting is so stilted and wooden I was rolling my eyes.

It's not a bad movie, I'd certainly watch it again before watching Michael Bay's epic fail. I just forgot how dry and stuffy it is in places.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Has anyone seen Midnight Cowboy?
(sorry, didn't mean to change the current subject)

Red Dawn (2012)

If you haven't seen this movie yet... keep it that way and be happy you did not torture your eyes, ears and common sense for 93 minutes non stop.

Ok, we all have our different tastes and all that, like some ppl even managed to enjoy "Pearl 'cheesy' Harbor" or "U-'trolol'571"... but this movie is the worst crap I have seen in... forever. The original one is highly controversial already. Some hate it, some love it. I am among those who like it for its certain charm and maybe for nostalgic reasons.

Anyways, the new one... oh God what did I just see!? I've seen it for free and yet I feel cheated.

Red Dawn Recipe:
Take some of the worst actors you can find, create a cheesy story driven by outdated stereotypes, do not dare to care about help of military advisors... or any advisors at all. Mash it all up and spice it with one of the worst scripts ever and make it so the audience knows what is going to happen next, all the time. Oh and in the end, do not forget to let "The Leader" die...because that is something the audience would neeever suspect.

Gosh, I really need to recover from this - any suggestions for a GOOD movie? Don't care about the genre, but should be not older as 1995 (not in the mood for old stuff atm).

[Stealhead]

You make things difficult going post 1995 I would say "Fargo" and "The Big Lebowski" and "Trainspotting" and "Casino" are good 1995 up films."Shawshank Redemption" is good film but it came out in 1994 outside of your cut off.

The "Red Dawn" remake was just Tom Cruise using his money to give his son a role in a movie.The original has a nostalgic value to those that grew up in the 1980's.I like it because it actually has more of an anti-governmental tone rather than an anti-Soviet one the teenagers have to rely on themselves and not on a government.

[August]

What makes 1995 the cut off date for "old stuff"?

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Red Dawn (2012)


Gosh, I really need to recover from this - any suggestions for a GOOD movie? Don't care about the genre, but should be not older as 1995 (not in the mood for old stuff atm).

I saw the original version in 84 and liked it. Just out of curiosity, have you seen any of the old stuff?

BTW, if you like the newer movies, I suggest you watch Running Scared, if you haven't already.
I don't think you'd be disappointed with this one.

@Stealhead
I've seen those movies and pretty much most of what is worth watching from the 70s-2000 time frame, I however missed a lot of stuff during the 2000s, that is why I requested movies not pre 95

@August
That was badly phrased by me I think. I wouldn't consider movies pre 95 'old' myself, but... see what I told Stealhead...
Besides that, many movies are timeless anyway.

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

I saw the original version in 84 and liked it. Just out of curiosity, have you seen any of the old stuff?

BTW, if you like the newer movies, I suggest you watch Running Scared, if you haven't already.
I don't think you'd be disappointed with this one.

Thanks, I will check this one out. And yes, I've seen 'the old stuff'. Think the oldest I've seen was Casablanca.

It is not that I don't like older movies, just right now I'm interested more in the stuff from the last decade. When I check the list in my head with my favorite movies, the utter most are pre 95.

JAWS
Alien(s)
Hunt for Red October
Das Boot
Flight of the Intruder
47 Ronin
The Professional (1995 or 1996? Not sure)
Shawshank Redemption
The Godfather I+II (III was...oh jeeebus)
Platoon
FMJ
Good Fellas
Pearl Harbor (just a joke! )
Star Wars (IV-VI)
Indiana Jones (the old ones)
Once Upon a Time in America (one of those long "huh, over already!?" movies)


So yeah, you get the idea...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Has anyone seen Midnight Cowboy?

Saw it in the theater when it came out.

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

BTW, if you like the newer movies, I suggest you watch Running Scared, if you haven't already.
I don't think you'd be disappointed with this one.

And you were right. It was quite entertaining, thanks!

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

And you were right. It was quite entertaining, thanks!

I don't want to post any spoilers, so I'll just ask:
What did you think of that freaky couple mid-movie?
AND
Did the ending surprise you?