Realism- and gameplay-related hardcode fixes for SH3.EXE - Page 65

NGT · 01-30-11, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiebler

I have now placed a patch (StieblerSR1.7z) for SH3.exe, courtesy of H.sie, .........................
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Feedback welcome - especially from users of GWX, which I do not test, and whose buoyancy model is different from stock SH3 and NYGM.

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Stiebler.

With GWX the crach dive blue do not exist (any more?).

But I haven't slow sinking, at any depth, with or without silent running, at 1 or 2 knots, all test with Academy patrols.
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I did some trials also:

I placed GWX submarine VIIB (with turms) inside NYGM, only the folder NSS_Uboat7b and the appropriate files from Objects:

Like that, I loose 14 meters per minute in every depth below 20 meters, with silent running or without, at 1 or 2 or 3 knots. After half crash dive or after normal dive.

What is the "target" of slow sinking in meters/minute?

Stiebler · 01-31-11, 04:20 AM

@LGN1:

Many thanks for this feedback - it is very useful.

H.sie - please notice!

The SH3 target for slow-sinking is around about 1 metre per 5 minutes (and that is probably too fast for real-life).

Since you are losing 14m/minute both with *and without* silent-running, it is clear that there must be a conflict between a GWX U-boat and NYGM. This is not due to my slow-sinking mod. The problem is probably due to the 'Anti-Humming Bird' mod in NYGM, which expects to find part of a XXI compartment in the type II, VII and IX U-boats. The GWX U-boat naturally lacks this.

What you need to do is to find 'SH3 Mini-Tweaker' and set the 'mass' of your U-boat to '0' in your GWX U-boat .sim file.

If Mini Tweaker is hard to find, then I could place a copy onto the NYGM web-site as a temporary measure.

Stiebler.

Magic1111 · 01-31-11, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiebler

If Mini Tweaker is hard to find
Stiebler.

Mini Tweaker Download Link: ftp://hartmuthaas.no-ip.org/Volume_1.../TIMETRAVELLER

Best regards,
Magic

Silent Ace · 01-31-11, 05:07 AM

To all who are interested in this topic I recommend that you read the following book-http://hotfile.com/dl/56399975/2b721...pment.pdf.html
Will find answers to many questions and dilemmas that have been set here.

NGT · 01-31-11, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiebler

@LGN1:

Many thanks for this feedback - it is very useful.

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What you need to do is to find 'SH3 Mini-Tweaker' and set the 'mass' of your U-boat to '0' in your GWX U-boat .sim file.

If Mini Tweaker is hard to find, then I could place a copy onto the NYGM web-site as a temporary measure.

Stiebler.

Emm....I suppose you address to me (NGT no LGN1)...

I set the mass to "0" (with S3D) and inside GWX the U-boot -VIIB- is stable like "rock", no one meter down, silent running or not. (all tests below 20 meters depth)

But with my little trial [GWX VIIB inside NYGM] the boat with mass "0" loose 27 meters per minute now, but only with 1 knot/h. By 2 k/h is stable!

Obviously, you (we) need special version for GWX, with more files that the simple patch for SH3.exe.

I don't do trial with NYGM, I suppose you do that. Personally I am interested to apply new patch to WAC too, if possible.

Best regards.

Stiebler · 01-31-11, 03:22 PM

@NGT:

Quote:

Emm....I suppose you address to me (NGT no LGN1).

Sorry about that, NGT. My error.

Yes, I test NYGM. It was a good idea to alter the mass in GWX VIIC with SD3Ditor, I did not think of that.

I believe that WAC's game-play is similar to stock SH3. But perhaps you know better than me.

Stiebler.

Silent Ace · 02-01-11, 04:51 AM

One question:
Is it possible to enable manual control of the closure of external doors torpedo tubes which, combined with manual loading torpedoes (disable Auto loading) finally enable compliance with the procedures of the torpedo tubes.
Example if you tried to manually insert a torpedo in the torpedo tube outer doors which are not closed automatically would have had flooding torpedo room.

Myxale · 02-01-11, 02:31 PM

It doesn't work this way!

The doors could never accidentally be opened like this. There was a mechanism that prevented the opening of both doors.

Silent Ace · 02-01-11, 02:49 PM

One such incident occurred in 1939 on HMS Thetis.

h.sie · 02-04-11, 05:06 PM

(Reserved)

h.sie · 02-05-11, 05:07 AM

V15E (BETA 1) is out.

Courageous Beta Testers welcome!

What's new?

1) "Crash dive blues" bugfix (by h.sie and Stiebler)

From now on, you don't lose control over the sub anymore if you interrupt a crash dive before the sub has reached its designated crash dive depth. Especially NYGM players will benefit from this fix, since in NYGM the Crash dive blues is more noticable.

2) Fog warning (Idea: Stiebler, Programming: h.sie)

During high time compression (TC) it can happen that suddenly heavy fog occurs, but the player doesn't even notice it and so he won't be able to act according to that new situation. This fix reduces TC>16 to TC=16 whenever fog occurs in order to warn the player.

3) More realistic reload of external/internal torpedoes.

No reload of external torpedoes possible during bad weather (=storm conditions defined in .cfg file of the sub). If bad weather suddenly occurs during external reload, the torpedo will be considered as reloaded if more than 75% of the reloading work is done, otherwise the torpedo will be put back to it's initial position, but the reloading process will be automatically restarted when bad weather ends.

Speed restriction to "slow" during external reload.

No diving possible during reload of external torpedoes, since all diving commands are simply ignored. If an enemy is sighted, the first pressing of the 'C' key (crash dive) is now interpreted by the game as "ALARM, interrupt reloading!!!". From now on, the ingame-clock begins to blink and alternatingly shows a) the remaining time in minutes during which diving still isn't possibe and b) the time of the day as usual. If this countdown reaches zero, the clock stops blinking, what signals that the sub can finally dive now. The time one has to wait until diving is possible is randomly chosen between 4 and 13 minutes.

No reload of internal torpedoes during storm and when surfaced. During storm one has to dive below 30m in order to reload internal torpedoes.

Comment: This solution forces the player to play realistic, instead of allowing him to play unrealistic (dive during external reload) and model some penalty like injured crew or flooded compartments. I chose this simple solution because it's much easier to program, but even this simple solution consists of 9 code patches and took about 6 weeks. I don't want to spend more time for modelling a situation that never happened during WWII, if I'm informed correctly.

SH3.exe Patch Configurator (Announcement)

Stiebler has programmed a comfortable Configurator program that allows the user to individually disable/enable the fixes for sh3.exe, for those users who want some but not all available fixes. This Configurator will be released soon.

h.sie

fitzcarraldo · 02-05-11, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

V15E (BETA 1) is out.

Courageous Beta Testers welcome!

Many thanks! Downloading and trying...

Best regards

Fitzcarraldo

Silent Ace · 02-05-11, 07:00 AM

Thank you h.sie for the new version.

reaper7 · 02-05-11, 07:01 AM

Nice one mate. trying it now

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Magic1111 · 02-05-11, 07:59 AM

Many thanks h.sie for the new version !

I´ll give it a try !

01-31-11, 04:20 AM	#962
Stiebler Fuel Supplier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,237 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 4	@LGN1: Many thanks for this feedback - it is very useful. H.sie - please notice! The SH3 target for slow-sinking is around about 1 metre per 5 minutes (and that is probably too fast for real-life). Since you are losing 14m/minute both with and without silent-running, it is clear that there must be a conflict between a GWX U-boat and NYGM. This is not due to my slow-sinking mod. The problem is probably due to the 'Anti-Humming Bird' mod in NYGM, which expects to find part of a XXI compartment in the type II, VII and IX U-boats. The GWX U-boat naturally lacks this. What you need to do is to find 'SH3 Mini-Tweaker' and set the 'mass' of your U-boat to '0' in your GWX U-boat .sim file. If Mini Tweaker is hard to find, then I could place a copy onto the NYGM web-site as a temporary measure. Stiebler. __________________ NYGM Tonnage War Mod - More than a mod: it's an experience!

01-31-11, 05:07 AM	#964
Silent Ace Seaman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 36 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	To all who are interested in this topic I recommend that you read the following book-http://hotfile.com/dl/56399975/2b721...pment.pdf.html Will find answers to many questions and dilemmas that have been set here. __________________

02-01-11, 04:51 AM	#967
Silent Ace Seaman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 36 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	One question: Is it possible to enable manual control of the closure of external doors torpedo tubes which, combined with manual loading torpedoes (disable Auto loading) finally enable compliance with the procedures of the torpedo tubes. Example if you tried to manually insert a torpedo in the torpedo tube outer doors which are not closed automatically would have had flooding torpedo room. __________________ Last edited by Silent Ace; 02-01-11 at 05:25 AM.

02-01-11, 02:31 PM	#968
Myxale Admiral Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: PQ AN 25 Posts: 2,178 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	It doesn't work this way! The doors could never accidentally be opened like this. There was a mechanism that prevented the opening of both doors. __________________ SH3+GWX SH5+WoS Still Sailing....still Deep

02-01-11, 02:49 PM	#969
Silent Ace Seaman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 36 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	One such incident occurred in 1939 on HMS Thetis. __________________

02-04-11, 05:06 PM	#970
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	(Reserved) __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie Last edited by h.sie; 02-04-11 at 05:43 PM.

02-05-11, 05:07 AM	#971
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	V15E (BETA 1) is out. Courageous Beta Testers welcome! What's new? 1) "Crash dive blues" bugfix (by h.sie and Stiebler) From now on, you don't lose control over the sub anymore if you interrupt a crash dive before the sub has reached its designated crash dive depth. Especially NYGM players will benefit from this fix, since in NYGM the Crash dive blues is more noticable. 2) Fog warning (Idea: Stiebler, Programming: h.sie) During high time compression (TC) it can happen that suddenly heavy fog occurs, but the player doesn't even notice it and so he won't be able to act according to that new situation. This fix reduces TC>16 to TC=16 whenever fog occurs in order to warn the player. 3) More realistic reload of external/internal torpedoes. No reload of external torpedoes possible during bad weather (=storm conditions defined in .cfg file of the sub). If bad weather suddenly occurs during external reload, the torpedo will be considered as reloaded if more than 75% of the reloading work is done, otherwise the torpedo will be put back to it's initial position, but the reloading process will be automatically restarted when bad weather ends. Speed restriction to "slow" during external reload. No diving possible during reload of external torpedoes, since all diving commands are simply ignored. If an enemy is sighted, the first pressing of the 'C' key (crash dive) is now interpreted by the game as "ALARM, interrupt reloading!!!". From now on, the ingame-clock begins to blink and alternatingly shows a) the remaining time in minutes during which diving still isn't possibe and b) the time of the day as usual. If this countdown reaches zero, the clock stops blinking, what signals that the sub can finally dive now. The time one has to wait until diving is possible is randomly chosen between 4 and 13 minutes. No reload of internal torpedoes during storm and when surfaced. During storm one has to dive below 30m in order to reload internal torpedoes. Comment: This solution forces the player to play realistic, instead of allowing him to play unrealistic (dive during external reload) and model some penalty like injured crew or flooded compartments. I chose this simple solution because it's much easier to program, but even this simple solution consists of 9 code patches and took about 6 weeks. I don't want to spend more time for modelling a situation that never happened during WWII, if I'm informed correctly. SH3.exe Patch Configurator (Announcement) Stiebler has programmed a comfortable Configurator program that allows the user to individually disable/enable the fixes for sh3.exe, for those users who want some but not all available fixes. This Configurator will be released soon. h.sie __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie Last edited by h.sie; 02-05-11 at 05:22 AM.

02-05-11, 07:00 AM	#973
Silent Ace Seaman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 36 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Thank you h.sie for the new version. __________________ Last edited by Silent Ace; 02-05-11 at 10:28 AM.

02-05-11, 07:01 AM	#974
reaper7 sim2reality Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: AM 82 Posts: 2,280 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 30	Nice one mate. trying it now .

02-05-11, 07:59 AM	#975
Magic1111 Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Germany - Sailing on U-552 in North Atlantic Posts: 4,429 Downloads: 783 Uploads: 0	Many thanks h.sie for the new version ! I´ll give it a try ! __________________