Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Shells-In the news here yesterday it was told that due to lack of ammos like shells Ukraine is only using 1000 to 1500 per day, while Russia use 10.000-15.000 per day.

I guess this must have changed to the better now for the Ukrainians.

More on this jamming thing.

What do we know exactly !?

Is there a different in amount of rockets/missiles being used against a target compared from the start of the war and now ?

Markus

We do not know anything exactly, that's the fog of war those rockets/missiles attack takes time to plan it takes a lot of time to get intel on targets and it defence maybe there are lesser attacks (or claimed). But still see attacks on Crimea, on munition hubs and in the Black Sea the Ukraine drone attacks are becoming larger (+80 per attack). How more you hit, how lesser the targets become it is not that Russia has air, radar systems or ships enough in stock or production to replace.

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Ukraine is clearly aware that the war will end in negotiations, - NSDC Secretary Lytvynenko

14:02 20.05.2024 16 651156

https://m.censor.net/ua/news/3490355...nbo_lytvynenka

Ukraine needs a truce not for 2 years, but a sustainable peace for decades.

This was stated in an address to the participants of the Baltic Sea Region Forum: "NATO 2024 and Arctic Europe" NSDC Secretary Oleksandr Lytvynenko, reportsCensor.NET.

"Ukraine is clearly aware that the war will end in negotiations. And so the formula of peace of President Zelenskyy was prepared and promoted. Our position is very simple and convinced, it will be supported by the participants of the Peace Summit in Switzerland in June 2024. This is a real diplomatic track that has every chance to contribute to achieving a just peace," the NSDC Secretary said.

According to Lytvynenko, Ukraine needs not a truce for 2 years, but a lasting peace for decades that would make the development of the country possible.

"And this is a matter of security guarantees. Security agreements implementing last year's G7 statement are without the slightest doubt an important step. And we highly appreciate the efforts of President A. Stubb and the entire Finnish people, who know more than anyone the critical importance of security for Russia's neighbors. However, Ukraine needs guarantees, and the Finnish example clearly demonstrates that today there are only some real guarantees in Europe - this is NATO membership. That is why we hope to receive an invitation to the Alliance at this year's Washington NATO Summit," he added.

Negotiations with the Russian Federation

Earlier, the media reported that Western countries were preparing to convince Zelenskyy to agree to negotiations with the Russian Federation to end the war.

At the same time, the Russian dictator said that the Russian Federation was ready to participate in peace negotiations, but it was not invited to a conference in Switzerland.

comments: We are waiting for "betrayal" from rear and armored "patriots" - who are ready to fight to the last. (To the last - this is until the turn for mobilization comes to them... )

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This produce some questions

1. How far and with how much are NATO interested in helping Ukraine ?
2. How much must Ukraine give for a concrete peace with Russia ?
3. How much must Russia give for a concrete peace with Ukraine ?

Markus

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Security guarantees brought them where they now are.

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Originally Posted by mapuc

This produce some questions

1. How far and with how much are NATO interested in helping Ukraine ?
2. How much must Ukraine give for a concrete peace with Russia ?
3. How much must Russia give for a concrete peace with Ukraine ?

Markus

NATO is somewhat like a defense department and operates primarily in response to attacks on member nations. Otherwise NATO doesn’t do anything unless the elected officials of member governments give them the green light.

Somewhat perplexed that Russia is not invited. But it will be interesting to hear the proposals. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see Russia’s reaction in June.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Security guarantees brought them where they now are.

Those so-called security guarantees were nothing more than signatory nations UK, US, Russia agreeing not to attack or invade Ukraine. Said nothing about promising arms and ammo.

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Originally Posted by mapuc

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And the source of the Russian propaganda machine is? Looks like British tabloid news.

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Explosives found near NATO pipeline in Germany

Construction workers in Germany have found explosives in the ground while working close to a NATO pipeline. So reports the Süddeutsche Zeitung. It is not clear who placed those explosives there, but intelligence sources have long indicated that Russia is willing to sabotage such infrastructure of Ukraine's allies. The explosives were found in Bellheim, in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate, between Mainz and Stuttgart. Underneath that place runs a pipeline through which kerosene flows. That pipeline is part of a network of NATO pipelines used to fuel air bases. The pipelines in the Netherlands, which include Schiphol Airport, are also part of this NATO network.

According to Süddeutsche Zeitung, construction workers made the discovery last November in the forest near Bellheim. While renovating a high-voltage pylon, they came across several hundred grams of explosives with detonators and two hand grenades. The items were buried half a meter underground, a few hundred meters away from the pipeline, neatly wrapped in plastic wrap. The newspaper writes that the find alerted the German security service. Explosives have been found before, hidden in the ground by the left-wing extremist terrorist movement Rote Armee Fraktion (RAF) in the last century.

But the find in Bellheim late last year cannot possibly be from the years when the RAF was active, according to security officials. It is estimated that the stored explosives in Bellheim were placed there only 12 to 18 months ago. By whom is not clear. The German prosecutor's office tells the newspaper that investigations have not led to a suspect. However, security services have long pointed out that Russia does not shy away from attacks with such explosives and other acts of sabotage. Incidents around facilities that can be attributed to Germany's so-called critical infrastructure are on the rise.

Intelligence increasingly suspects a link to Russia in these incidents because of the war in Ukraine. Germany is an important ally of Ukraine by supplying weapons and tanks. The risk of Russia wanting to strike back is increasing, security officials warn. “We must assume that in the coming weeks and months Moscow will use the full range of hybrid warfare against us, including acts of sabotage,” a German intelligence officer told the Süddeutsche Zeitung. The war in Ukraine “has long since arrived here.”

Just recently, two suspected Russian spies were arrested in Bavaria for allegedly spying on a NATO military training ground where Ukrainian soldiers were being trained. Dutch security services have also been warning about Russia for some time. The Netherlands is an attractive target for cyberattacks, for example, because it is home to many international organizations, such as the International Criminal Court in The Hague. https://nos.nl/artikel/2521633-explo...g-in-duitsland