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11-12-18, 07:55 AM | #5896 |
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And then, there's jingoism
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11-12-18, 08:10 AM | #5897 |
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especially loudmouthed jingoism with orange hair
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11-12-18, 08:23 AM | #5898 | |
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The actual meaning that Schroeder posted: loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups. (Source) Why do you have to lie so much, Rockstar? |
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11-12-18, 08:57 AM | #5899 |
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It wasn't a lie dick Tracy it came from Merriam Websters online dictionary I just cut and pasted it here. If you look closely the definition you and I posted are the same damn thing.
In case you haven't noticed my quarrel was to show that nationalism and patriotism are not as President Moron stated 'opposites'. They are synonymous, similar, alike the same and furthermore neither contain hate in their definitions. The idea one is friendly and another hateful is purely political rhetoric. Though as I stated both can in their extreme forms generate wars and or stop them as well as serve a good purpose of which I gave three examples. Its OK to be German, its OK to expect another to pay their dues, and to leave a loony bin to get their pride back Its not rocket science man
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11-12-18, 09:27 AM | #5900 | |
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[..]exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion[..] Why do you have to lie so much, Rockstar? |
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11-12-18, 02:01 PM | #5901 | |
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ahh I see what you're driving at. Apparently my cut and paste didnt work out so well when I tried removing the hyperlink in CONSCIOUSNESS. loyalty and devotion to a nation especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups Great detective work with the word search dick Tracy now whats your point? It still doesnt change anything I said. That patriotism and nationalism are not as President Moron said oposites. Instead they are synomynous. Nor is hate included in the diffinition of either nationalism or patriotism.
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11-12-18, 03:43 PM | #5902 |
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No need for name calling Bud. I think he is saying that exalting your own nation above others is the same thing as actually hating other nations. Maybe it's a translation thing.
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11-12-18, 05:05 PM | #5903 | |
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Normally I can't stand reading articles by Chris Cillizza. But this time, I think he is right on the money.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/polit...ump/index.html Here's why Hillary Clinton 4.0 is a terrible idea Quote:
It was stupid for them to run her in 2016 and it will be doubly stupid to run her in 2020. But the Democrats are perfectly capable of losing in 2020 if they don't start thinking clearly.
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11-12-18, 05:07 PM | #5904 |
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Atleast didnt accuse him of being a liar.
What I find funny is every leader in the free world primary job is to place and advance the interest of the nation which they lead above others. Therefore by deffinition making every farking one of them a nationalist. Until that is when someone else steps on their toes. Then they cry foul and accuse the other of being a nationalist and how nationalism is filled with hate that starts wars like the 30's. What starts wars is not when politicians redefine words. Its when the lemmings begin to belive it to be the proper deffinition.
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11-12-18, 05:23 PM | #5905 | |
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FWIW, although I'm sure the Trump haters don't care.
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11-12-18, 05:41 PM | #5906 | |
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I tried to find it, only found that this quote has been used by some more people than just de Gaulle. German president Friedrich von Weizsäcker as an exmaple, in 1989.
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11-13-18, 03:42 AM | #5907 | ||||
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Regarding the nationalism thing there might have been a shift in meanings between the US and Europe. For example when I look up the German term for nationalism I get results like this: Quote:
https://www.bpb.de/nachschlagen/lexi.../nationalismus Wikipedia goes a step further and divides nationalism into two categories. Inclusive and exclusive nationalism: /wiki/Nationalismus#Inklusiver_vs._exklusiver_Nationalis mus (surpisingly good) Translation by google: Quote:
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So it seems that the term has different meanings in the US (inclusive nationalism) and Europe (exclusive nationalism) and that explains allot of the confusion here.
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11-13-18, 03:46 AM | #5908 |
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"EU nations are not allowed to visit this site."
Censorship? Conspiracy! lol Whatever, it does not work
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11-13-18, 03:49 AM | #5909 |
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Yep, but that's an issue with our privacy protection laws here. You can find that on many sites now.
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11-13-18, 03:52 AM | #5910 |
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So censorship is being called privacy protection. Doublespeak at its finest
Seroiusly, on one hand privacy protecrion is good. It is unbelievable what a load of spyware you get stored on your PC just by clicking on an ebay, Google or any link. A hundred cookies etc. in no time, and then you get your "tailored" (read: spied out) advertisements, along with tailored news especially for you or the target group they think you belong to. However this clunky implementation by the authors of said websites "following" the DPRG is a joke. Either they drew the plug entirely, or you have to "accept all", or you have to spend an hour by choosing which cookies you accept, and which not, and who shall get the information. Every fn time you get on this site. I usually just click on "accept all" and then instantly wipe all cookies, settings and stored info with various tools. But it really is too much fuzz meanwhile. Use the net and you can be sure anything you click on or visit is being monitored, and stored. No privacy, no anonymity. And it is not that you give those informations voluntarily as with Facebook et al, it is simply taken from you. So it is general spying like in China, only the direct results vary. Yet.
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