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04062017, 05:07 AM  #16 
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Read legend at those tables carefully.
Tangent values are from left top, contangent values are from bottom right to top left (in opaque way). 
04062017, 09:45 AM  #17 
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04062017, 12:21 PM  #18 
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04062017, 01:00 PM  #19 
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You're welcome, try it and you'll not be regret it
BTW. you could be pretty comfortable to use 0.7 here, dont be very hard for yourself in this calculations as you cant get even those hydrophone bearing so precised.. And dont even push yourself to measure it in too perfect time, just feel free to have 2. bearing after 9:30 and third after 11 it doesnt matter so much.... (just dont mess it by 30% or so...) In the end you always have to get more precise information optically from periscope anyway. This is rather for decide good approach strategy and to know which bearing to have roughly before fire to not to have to turn ubote later.. 
04142017, 11:54 AM  #20 
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Thanks for the videos!
I see in the video you can move an earlier made line by clicking it. I can't do this? Do I need to press a button or something? Thanks ! 
10232017, 08:15 AM  #21 
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A bit confused...
Hey palmic, I been trying to understand your methods, I been reading this one and trying to understand it, and I get stuck on one point, I am hoping you can help me with it.
So I will recap and show you how far I get. First we have our course of 255 and our 3 bearings, b1 = 71 b2 = 80 b3 = 87 each timed at 10 minutes in this case, while we are stationary. Next we use your cheatsheet to find the cotangents, cotan for b1 to b2 is 9 so we get = 6.3138 from your sheet, and cotan for b1 to b3 is 16 so we get 3.4874 so far so good. next we have the formula and this is where I cannot find out what the DRM is, direction of relative motion, is that not the angle beween our course and the target course? If so, how do we find the target course? How do we find this?  EDIT: I just read the conversation between you and hauangua, seems like he ran into the same confussion, So what I understand is that, once you do the formula, Cot(DRM B1) = 2* Cot13 Cot12 = 0.661 Then we Search in the cheatsheet for the closest value? So in the Cheatsheet the closest value in this case is = 0.6644? So 0.661 becomes 0.6644 which is = 56? Am I understanding this correctly? Last edited by Xall; 10232017 at 08:25 AM. 
10232017, 12:26 PM  #22 
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HI Palmic
I overlooked your Tables they are very good , Odd description "Cheatsheet" its definitely not a cheat its just good Maths was this method Actually used by the Kriegsmarine ? Would be interested to know. THX Best Regards Simon WOLVES OF STEEL MEGAMOD 
11072017, 12:11 PM  #23  
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Sorry for my delay, i noticed right now. Yes you have it right. Your targets DRM is 56. Now you just have to subtract, or add it to first ABSOLUTE bearing. Since your course in that time was 255 and the first bearing was 71, absolute bearing was 255+71=326. Since bearings went up, you have to add, you would subtract otherwise. So course of your target is 326+56=382=22! For educative details about DRM please read the document from my initial post. Just one more thing, you are unnecessarily too exact, round just to 1 decimal, your bearings from hydrophone and timing is the same unexact anyway and youll be surprised how exactly youll calculate even with one dec, its just way more quicker.. Happy hunting! 

11072017, 12:14 PM  #24  
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I would bet they've used this, but they used just very rounded way how to getting these informations and they did just easier math in head i think.. They just remembered cotangents of most common angles rounded to 1 decimal point, thats enough even here to get good enough solution. I use it like this.
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