UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall

Platapus · 08-26-17, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

It is still possible it was an accident, and he overreacted out of panic or whatever. He still claims he is innocent.
I doubt it though.

Problem is how to prove either side.

Has anyone come up with a motive that would make this premeditated?

I clearly don't have all the facts, but from what I have been reading, it leans toward a spur of the moment crime. Especially with the ineffective ways he tried to cover up the crime.

Did this guy and the lady know each other prior to this?

Dowly · 08-26-17, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Did this guy and the lady know each other prior to this?

I believe Madsen said he only knew her first name.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 08-26-17, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

What the outcome of this examination will be I don't know-I don't think we will be told, not before after the trial and verdict.

How could results not be published? Ofcourse details may not become public but atleast level of sanity will be.

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Originally Posted by mapuc

This I'm convinced of-he will get one of these.

Markus

May I ask why you are so convinced? Human can be extraordinally cruel toward another human or animal without being insane.

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Has anyone come up with a motive that would make this premeditated?

I don't know Danish law but here in Finland premeditation is only one of four conditions where homicide become mureder. These are:
1) if homicide is premeditated
2) or made in unusually cruel or tenacious way
3) or method causes serious danger to public
4) or if victim is public servant performing his official duties in maintaining public order or safety, or other official duty
In addition to any of these conditions crime must also be generally aggravated. These are directly from Finnish Crime Code 19.12.1889/39 2 § (21.4.1995/578) although my translation may not be sufficiently accurate to capture all nuances of matter.

Mr Quatro · 08-26-17, 05:08 PM

Some where in here someone said that PM may have done this same kind of dirty deed before to a visitor from Japan, but it was a case never solved. Yet at the age of 15 he was seen daily in the same area she was found.

Surely he could've figured out a way to tie her up and haul her out of the sub if it was just an accident, but instead it becomes a gruesome crime of dismemberment and trying to make sure she was never found.

My point is perhaps he is guilty of other crimes of a like nature ...

One more item I noticed is that PM was seen on his submarine running around without running lights in the same general area. Why?

Was she already dead and he wanted another ship to hit them and he would be the only survivor?

Subnuts · 08-26-17, 06:18 PM

So, should the UC3 Nautilus still be part of the Radio Room logo at the top of the page?

Reece · 08-26-17, 07:28 PM

No!!

(Poor Neal will have to edit it)

Edit: I don't think it is UC3.

Sailor Steve · 08-26-17, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Subnuts

So, should the UC3 Nautilus still be part of the Radio Room logo at the top of the page?

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Originally Posted by Reece

No!!

(Poor Neal will have to edit it)

Edit: I don't think it is UC3.

Unless I'm missing something UC-3 isn't anywhere on the main page, except for the article link in the news section.

razark · 08-26-17, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Unless I'm missing something UC-3 isn't anywhere on the main page, except for the article link in the news section.

I think he means this:

Gargamel · 08-27-17, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Some where in here someone said that PM may have done this same kind of dirty deed before to a visitor from Japan, but it was a case never solved. Yet at the age of 15 he was seen daily in the same area she was found.

There was a shoe salesman, I believe, who was at both nuclear bombings in Japan. But yet, I don't think he had anything to do with either one.

Coincidences can occur, and if you look hard enough, outliers look like patterns.

I'm not saying he didn't do either one, it's just that it feels very... cherry picked.. looking for previous history.

Sailor Steve · 08-27-17, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel

I'm not saying he didn't do either one, it's just that it feels very... cherry picked.. looking for previous history.

That's certainly a possibility. On the other hand we have a previous crime with similar characteristics. It's not our place to say one way or the other, but it is the job of the police to examine every possibility. We can only wait and see what they come up with. And speculate 'til the cows come home.

mapuc · 08-27-17, 01:35 PM

It was me who posted the story about a former unsolved case in Denmark. I posted the story two times.

First time was after having read it on the Swedish Teletext In which we could read Danish police looking into an old unsolved case from 1986 where body parts from a 22 year old Japanese turist was found.
(see # 129)

Later I read a lot more about this case in the Swedish news paper
(see # 168)

Markus

FlatRook · 08-27-17, 07:31 PM

Some are asking his motive, my bet is something sexual. Rape, sexual assault, or an accidental brush that was misinterpreted as a sexual advance happened. He wanted to make sure she did not make it back to shore to tell on him or write a negative story. We may never know, but this is what I believe. I can't really believe the serial killer theory, as I am sure there are better ways than to kill a high profile reporter out at sea and sink a project you have been working on for years.

Rockstar · 08-26-17, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Has anyone come up with a motive that would make this premeditated?

I clearly don't have all the facts, but from what I have been reading, it leans toward a spur of the moment crime. Especially with the ineffective ways he tried to cover up the crime.

Did this guy and the lady know each other prior to this?

based on a report mapuc furnished earlier PM may be a serial killer.

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Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Some where in here someone said that PM may have done this same kind of dirty deed before to a visitor from Japan, but it was a case never solved. Yet at the age of 15 he was seen daily in the same area she was found. Surely he could've figured out a way to tie her up and haul her out of the sub if it was just an accident, but instead it becomes a gruesome crime of dismemberment and trying to make sure she was never found. My point is perhaps he is guilty of other crimes of a like nature ... One more item I noticed is that PM was seen on his submarine running around without running lights in the same general area. Why? Was she already dead and he wanted another ship to hit them and he would be the only survivor? __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 18,173 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	It was me who posted the story about a former unsolved case in Denmark. I posted the story two times. First time was after having read it on the Swedish Teletext In which we could read Danish police looking into an old unsolved case from 1986 where body parts from a 22 year old Japanese turist was found. (see # 129) Later I read a lot more about this case in the Swedish news paper (see # 168) Markus

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FlatRook Nub Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 2 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Some are asking his motive, my bet is something sexual. Rape, sexual assault, or an accidental brush that was misinterpreted as a sexual advance happened. He wanted to make sure she did not make it back to shore to tell on him or write a negative story. We may never know, but this is what I believe. I can't really believe the serial killer theory, as I am sure there are better ways than to kill a high profile reporter out at sea and sink a project you have been working on for years.