The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, has Germany become a Sultanate over the past 50 years?

No, but the voice of Islam demanding things is getting louder.

Generally speaking that tends to decline over time. We had a similar problem with people imigrating from Africa, but that reduced once they had access to better healthcare and contraception.
"But Oberon," I hear you cry "that still means that they're going to have a higher birth rate than us!"
Yes, this is true, it is estimated by 2030 Muslims in France and Belgium will make up over ten percent of the population...

Contraceptions are against Islamic law.
I'm not sure how much the birthrate declines over time, I just know that I can't walk 500 meters in my hometown without bumping into a child cart pushed by someone with a headscarf... just personal observation, no statistic....Though I live in an area with several labour intensive industries so it has been a magnet for immigration workers over the decades.

So 4.3 million people are scaring a country of 81 million.

If 4,3 million can demand more and more and cause trouble without the rest being able to fight back as that would be so un PC then yes, that's scary.

Besides, my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great(x20000) grandfather would be mortified to see me typing a collective-bastardisation of European languages into this screen, not to mention a liberal smattering of Arabic and Hindu thrown into the mix....

Fair point. But there is 2.000 years between you and him so it's understandable that things have changed and he would be very confused. Islam tries to force it's 1.600 years old ideology onto modern people and that confuses me just as much. People always say everything was better in the past but I prefer to not go back to Mohammad's age.

In other words, don't buy into the alarmist propaganda that Islam is going to overthrow us in a generation or two, because, to be honest, it's very unlikely to happen, and even if it did, it would only be the continuation of a process that is as old as civilization itself, and our descendents eventually wouldn't even know the difference.

They won't overthrow us in the next two generations. But the foundation is set and on a local scale there are some areas where Muslims already have a majority. That could get "interesting" in the not so distant future. When I notice something is wrong with my body I rather get treatment early before things become irreversible.

[Tchocky]

Sort of related, don't feel like making a new thread.

French far right National Front 'routed' in key vote

France's far-right National Front (FN) has failed to win a single region in the second round of elections, exit polls indicate.
Early results suggest the party was beaten into third place, despite leading in six of 13 regions in the first round of votes a week ago.
The polls predict Nicolas Sarkozy's centre-right Republicans will win most seats ahead of the ruling Socialists.
Acknowledging defeat, Ms Le Pen pledged to keep fighting.
"Nothing can stop us. Long live the French Republic! Long live the nation! Long live France!" she told her supporters.
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[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

When I notice something is wrong with my body I rather get treatment early before things become irreversible.

Can we try not to talk about people this way?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

No, but the voice of Islam demanding things is getting louder.

Everyones voice is getting louder, it's called having better access to communications. We wouldn't even be hearing about half of this stuff if it wasn't for the internet or mass media.

Contraceptions are against Islamic law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...aception.shtml

There is no single attitude to contraception within Islam; however eight of the nine classic schools of Islamic law permit it.

I'm not sure how much the birthrate declines over time, I just know that I can't walk 500 meters in my hometown without bumping into a child cart pushed by someone with a headscarf... just personal observation, no statistic....Though I live in an area with several labour intensive industries so it has been a magnet for immigration workers over the decades.

Then why so surprised about the number of immigrants?

If 4,3 million can demand more and more and cause trouble without the rest being able to fight back as that would be so un PC then yes, that's scary.

There's a difference between fighting back and becoming like the radical preachers that everyone hates. If the radical preachers are saying that the west is declaring war on Islam, are you in agreement that this is what should be done? Sure, there are problems with certain things being taken too far, even PC has its extremists, and no doubt those who hate PC would call me one. But what political correctness originally began life as was actually trying to not treat other people like crap just because they're different to us. Some people think that that means we should do everything they ask us to do, but generally speaking it means just not being a dick to them.

Fair point. But there is 2.000 years between you and him so it's understandable that things have changed and he would be very confused. Islam tries to force it's 1.600 years old ideology onto modern people and that confuses me just as much. People always say everything was better in the past but I prefer to not go back to Mohammad's age.

Islam tries to force nothing on anybody, it's a bloody book for goodness sake, how is it going to force something on you, grab you with its pages?
Islamic extremists and to a point political Islam will try to force their versions of Islam on you, and that's where the problem lies, with them, not with a book. We declared war on Germany, not Mein Kampf.

They won't overthrow us in the next two generations.

They likely won't overthrow us at all.

But the foundation is set and on a local scale there are some areas where Muslims already have a majority. That could get "interesting" in the not so distant future. When I notice something is wrong with my body I rather get treatment early before things become irreversible.

So Islam is a cancer that must be cut out? These people are a disease?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Can we try not to talk about people this way?

You know, if I referred to Jews like this, I would be banned in two seconds flat.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Quote:

EDIT: slight update since the Paris attacks....the extreme has become the normal...throw in the World Trade Center for good measure.

How many people have died of Islamic terrorism in the west since 2000?

How many Muslim people have been killed by coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2000? I'm talking civilian casualties here, collateral damage.

I think the blood bill has been repaid, twice over.

[mapuc]

Said by a Danish Politicians, who's a Muslim and from Syria

"The Jews breed Nobel Price winner, the Muslim breed terrorist"

Markus

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Said by a Danish Politicians, who's a Muslim and from Syria

"The Jews breed Nobel Price winner, the Muslim breed terrorist"

Markus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...obel_laureates

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Oberon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...obel_laureates

The Nobel peace price or what they say in English

I think he meant Nobel price in Medicine, Physics a.s.o

Markus

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The Nobel peace price or what they say in English

I think he meant Nobel price in Medicine, Physics a.s.o

Markus

Well, it is true, to be honest that people of the Jewish faith have won more Nobel Prizes than any other faith, something like over 20% of the total winners. Couldn't really say why, perhaps there's something about the Jewish faith that encourages science and technology, or perhaps they're just more focused on teaching and learning. Who can say?

But to say that Muslims only breed terrorists is inaccurate.

In short, never speak in absolutes.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Can we try not to talk about people this way?

Originally Posted by Oberon

You know, if I referred to Jews like this, I would be banned in two seconds flat.

You guys put words into my mouth that I have never said. I didn't call anyone anything.
I used a metaphor about a problem that becomes worse over time if nothing happens and that everyone is familiar with.

Anyway I've said what I wanted to say and I'm out of here. No one will change the minds of others here anyway.

[Oberon]

Words into your mouth or not, if one were to replace Muslim or Islam in your replies with Jew and Judaism.

For example:

No, and I never said we were supposed to kill all Jews. It's the ideology that's evil and must be fought in my opinion.

or

So what do you propose? Let massive numbers of Jews into your country and hope for the best?

I just know that I can't walk 500 meters in my hometown without bumping into a child cart pushed by someone with a kippah

Don't you see? This is how it starts, by making them subhuman so it's easier for us to do things to them that we wouldn't dream of doing to others. Even down to the language that's used.



Let's face it, when you find yourself in a position that is agreeing with the radical preachers of Islam who say that the west is declaring a war on Islam and against all Muslims, then surely you must take a moment to wonder if what you think is not walking into the very trap that want you to walk into? To demonise those people with a mass-generalisation and push them into the welcoming arms of radicalisation?

By all means, detain the radical preachers, bomb the extremists, surgically remove the problem, but targetting an entire ideology, an entire religion, and everyone within it? How can that possibly turn out to be anything but a disaster for all involved in it?

Originally Posted by Oberon

In other words, don't buy into the alarmist propaganda that Islam is going to overthrow us in a generation or two, because, to be honest, it's very unlikely to happen.

Who says that?
What proves that?

On the other side, demographic studies clearly point out where things are going.
My country for example?
We Germans, apparently we do not like to shag anymore for the purpose of creating a family.
Muslims often have very large families. Where the German family has its 1.3(?) kids, muslim families often have 4+.

Now, what might happen when a group of people that now is a minority will, in 10-30 years, be a majority or at least definitely no minority anymore?
They, their culture and therefor also religion, will get more influence and sooner or later, you see certain things change.

If things go on with the political correctness syndrome and 'Gutmenschentum' like they are now, it won't be long until the Muezzin is waking us up every morning.

Can't wait.

Now, I am not against foreigners, foreign cultures etc. at all. It is the opposite. However, in medicine I learned early:
Sola dosis facit venenum
(The dose makes the poison)
I want to point out that I do not consider people poison, but certain ideologies for sure - just in case someone feels his jimmies rustled over this analogy.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, it is true, to be honest that people of the Jewish faith have won more Nobel Prizes than any other faith, something like over 20% of the total winners. Couldn't really say why, perhaps there's something about the Jewish faith that encourages science and technology, or perhaps they're just more focused on teaching and learning. Who can say?

But to say that Muslims only breed terrorists is inaccurate.

In short, never speak in absolutes.

True- It was some days after the Terror in Paris he said those words.

Here is more what he and some other moderate Muslim have said at a conservative think tank on Thursday (Dec. 3

http://www.religionnews.com/2015/12/...rnia-shooting/

[Oberon]

It's not impossible, I'll admit, a report back in April suggested that the global population of Muslims might come close to the global population of Christians by 2050, but the growth would be concentrated around the Middle-East, North Africa and Sub-Saharan Africa. I don't think anyone needs to guess the reasons why this is the case.

In Europe though, Christians retain the upper hand, while Muslims go from 5.9 in 2010 to about 10%, a 4.1% growth. Which is big, but still probably the third in line behind Christianity and No-Religion. Actually the biggest religion to grow over the past hundred years has been atheism, and agnosticism.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/04/02/r...ons-2010-2050/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth...torical_growth


Honestly I'd be more confident in seeing the Muslim population go from the current average of 3 per family to something like 1.8 or so, still higher than the average, but lower than the current. I'd also expect to see a rise of Muslims abandoning their faith as they gradually westernise.
Sure, the first two or three generations will keep most of their traditions and beliefs, that's what happens in all major movements of cultures, but eventually they will intergrate into us and we will intergrate into them.
There might well be clashes, some violence, a lot of fear and hatred will be going around, but it will eventually die down.

If it doesn't, if this is some kind of mass invasion, and colonisation of the west, well I guess what goes around comes around, we colonised and invaded plenty of other nations, mostly African, so I guess history has a wry sense of humour.

Either which way, is it really worth going Third Reich over?


EDIT: An interesting note in that Pew report indicates that historians believe that Islam may well have outnumbered Christianity before, between 1000 and 1600, during the years of the Black Death.