Are Submarines About to Become Obsolete?

Onkel Neal · 02-14-15, 05:40 PM

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What would happen if U.S. nuclear attack submarines—some of the most sophisticated and expensive American weapons of war—suddenly became obsolete? Imagine a scenario where these important systems became the hunted instead of the hunter, or just as technologically backward as the massive battleships of years past. Think that sounds completely insane? If advances in big data and new detection methods fuse with the anti-access/area denial (A2/AD) ambitions of nations like China and Russia, naval planners around the world might have to go back to the drawing board.

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Hard to imagine, but with the advances in drone technology.... picture a dozen drone torpedoes swarming a $3 billion dollar Fast Attack....

Downunderjock · 03-11-15, 04:52 AM

I hope you will all, not hold it against me, in how I put this.

And O.K, it will prove maybe, how much I really know. This over 40 guy, I am.

So keelhaul me, or fire me out a torpedo tube or worse tie me to the mast as you, Dive, Dive, your Sub under water, hee!

With all the technology, we have globally (and no Govt would want to own up and admit it, plus the likes of NASA, ESA, etc.) that we can scan the earth in different light waves, IR, Gamma, X-rays, etc, from up above the earth. (and we can monitor and map under the ocean, via surface sea vessels. Like the current MH370 plane search.)

Whose to say with what we have in the skies above, we can now, look under the ocean surface. Very deeply and possibly rather clearly.

I am aware, that Subs of today can go, a lot deeper and engine wise etc can assist with detection. However, are we now able to scan from above, like that of say: Star Trek technology. If so, then, no one can hide.

And I hope, I am wrong. As that would make Subs, very much a fish out of water. Despite, being under it.

And drones and future ways, of warfare. let's not think Terminator and Skynet. Now that would be scary.

ETR3(SS) · 03-11-15, 07:18 PM

Step 1. Find the submarine. You have 70% of the earths surface to look for it. You can have 20 gazillion satellites, drones, and angry ex wives searching but as soon as we pull the plug...good luck. Once you complete step 1 then we can talk about step 2.

MRV · 04-22-15, 05:33 AM

....if the worlds navies are really so good in detecting stuff that subs are about to become obsolete, then tell me, where is MH370....

Jimbuna · 04-22-15, 05:42 AM

As long as there are surface ships/navies there will be a need for submersibles.

Advances in technology will go hand in hand both on and under the surface, the only definite may well be the fewer personnel needed aboard these machines.

Mind you, future developments should be fascinating to see unfold, should we live long enough to witness them.

Onkel Neal · 04-25-15, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Step 1. Find the submarine. You have 70% of the earths surface to look for it. You can have 20 gazillion satellites, drones, and angry ex wives searching but as soon as we pull the plug...good luck. Once you complete step 1 then we can talk about step 2.

Haha, good answer.

Mr Quatro · 04-27-15, 02:45 PM

This is why we need more diesel boats and the new upcoming submarine drones that can fly if they have to.

I have seen a vision of what a submarine tender could be like with a half dozen diesel submarines that can be launched whenever the need is present, plus drones underwater and launched from the submarine tender.

A nobody nothing game player like me doesn't have a chance of getting through to the top.

What would it take if the naval architect started designing the tender and the submarines right now, after approval of course?

Less than five years or more than five years?

Anyone know the address of the Secretary of the Navy (lol) just kidding

03-11-15, 04:52 AM	#2
Downunderjock Mate Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Geelong, Australia Posts: 55 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I Wonder I hope you will all, not hold it against me, in how I put this. And O.K, it will prove maybe, how much I really know. This over 40 guy, I am. So keelhaul me, or fire me out a torpedo tube or worse tie me to the mast as you, Dive, Dive, your Sub under water, hee! With all the technology, we have globally (and no Govt would want to own up and admit it, plus the likes of NASA, ESA, etc.) that we can scan the earth in different light waves, IR, Gamma, X-rays, etc, from up above the earth. (and we can monitor and map under the ocean, via surface sea vessels. Like the current MH370 plane search.) Whose to say with what we have in the skies above, we can now, look under the ocean surface. Very deeply and possibly rather clearly. I am aware, that Subs of today can go, a lot deeper and engine wise etc can assist with detection. However, are we now able to scan from above, like that of say: Star Trek technology. If so, then, no one can hide. And I hope, I am wrong. As that would make Subs, very much a fish out of water. Despite, being under it. And drones and future ways, of warfare. let's not think Terminator and Skynet. Now that would be scary.

03-11-15, 07:18 PM	#3
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	Step 1. Find the submarine. You have 70% of the earths surface to look for it. You can have 20 gazillion satellites, drones, and angry ex wives searching but as soon as we pull the plug...good luck. Once you complete step 1 then we can talk about step 2. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

04-22-15, 05:42 AM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	As long as there are surface ships/navies there will be a need for submersibles. Advances in technology will go hand in hand both on and under the surface, the only definite may well be the fewer personnel needed aboard these machines. Mind you, future developments should be fascinating to see unfold, should we live long enough to witness them. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

04-22-15, 05:33 AM	#4
MRV Frogman Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 294 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	....if the worlds navies are really so good in detecting stuff that subs are about to become obsolete, then tell me, where is MH370....

04-27-15, 02:45 PM	#7
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is why we need more diesel boats and the new upcoming submarine drones that can fly if they have to. I have seen a vision of what a submarine tender could be like with a half dozen diesel submarines that can be launched whenever the need is present, plus drones underwater and launched from the submarine tender. A nobody nothing game player like me doesn't have a chance of getting through to the top. What would it take if the naval architect started designing the tender and the submarines right now, after approval of course? Less than five years or more than five years? Anyone know the address of the Secretary of the Navy (lol) just kidding