Unnarmed 17 year old shot dead "in self defence"

Osmium Steele · 03-20-12, 07:48 AM

I am a fan of Florida's Stand Your Ground law, but this yahoo deliberately inserted himself in what he believed was a potentially dangerous situation after being told by a PD representative to stay in his car.

As such, I believe Stand Your Ground will not apply to this guy in court. I also agree with the article where it states that the police have no say in whether the guy gets arrested or not. Stand Your Ground is a courtroom defense, not a police procedure.

Stealhead · 03-20-12, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Osmium Steele

I am a fan of Florida's Stand Your Ground law, but this yahoo deliberately inserted himself in what he believed was a potentially dangerous situation after being told by a PD representative to stay in his car.

As such, I believe Stand Your Ground will not apply to this guy in court. I also agree with the article where it states that the police have no say in whether the guy gets arrested or not. Stand Your Ground is a courtroom defense, not a police procedure.

Regardless what regulations that law enforcement must follow they never applied to Zimmerman because he is not a LE officer in the first place.It sounds to me like an overzealous and perhaps overly paranoid man decided to take the law into his own hands on what he believed to be a suspicious person seeing as he did not see the boy commit any crime he as a civilian had no right to chase the kid when he ran away(more than likely because some strange man was following him) Zimmerman is was not a LE officer and not in a LE vehicle any normal 17 old kid would feel threatened by a person in a private vehicle following them.More than likely there was some form of confrontation that ended poorly for the 17 year boy.

AVGWarhawk · 03-20-12, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

Regardless what regulations that law enforcement must follow they never applied to Zimmerman because he is not a LE officer in the first place.It sounds to me like an overzealous and perhaps overly paranoid man decided to take the law into his own hands on what he believed to be a suspicious person seeing as he did not see the boy commit any crime he as a civilian had no right to chase the kid when he ran away(more than likely because some strange man was following him) Zimmerman is was not a LE officer and not in a LE vehicle any normal 17 old kid would feel threatened by a person in a private vehicle following them.More than likely there was some form of confrontation that ended poorly for the 17 year boy.

This is it in a nut shell. Zimmerman should be escorted to the local PD and booked.

mookiemookie · 03-20-12, 10:44 AM

Justice Dept and FBI are getting involved now. Hopefully this piece of excrement gets his.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...trayvon-martin

Bubblehead1980 · 03-20-12, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Justice Dept and FBI are getting involved now. Hopefully this piece of excrement gets his.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...trayvon-martin

Feds have NO right to get involved in this but yet again the feds decide to go too far.This guy is an idiot but does not deserve being charged with a hate crime.Feds have ZERO business here, move along.

03-20-12, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Feds have NO right to get involved in this but yet again the feds decide to go too far.This guy is an idiot but does not deserve being charged with a hate crime.Feds have ZERO business here, move along.

Surely you jest???
A whole freaking Nation is crying out about this!!
Who do you want to look into things?
Castle?

Bubblehead1980 · 03-21-12, 04:39 PM

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Surely you jest???
A whole freaking Nation is crying out about this!!
Who do you want to look into things?
Castle?

No, it does not matter that the nation is crying out about this, we do not operate on a system of mob rule.This is a local Law Enforcement matter and they made a decision not to charge him(Law Enforcement Officer's have discretion) based on Florida STATE Law, if they arrest someone when they are legally protected, they open up their department to lawsuits, bad publicity etc.The State Attorney's Office surely looked into this and felt that regardless of his actions, an altercation ensued and he used the force he deemed necessary to protect himself.There is no evidence to show this was racially motivated, every negative interaction between two people of different racial backrounds is NOT always a racial matter, in fact I will argue that it is rarely a racial thing now days. The way many people try to stretch hate crime laws is that if you get into an altercation with a minority or a homoesexual, you committed a hate crime, even if the crime was not motivated by prejudice.Bottom line, the guy is protected under Florida Law so those who have business in the matter, the Sanford Police and State Attorneys Office(they are sending it to a grand jury now) have the call here and the Feds have no reason to step in yet.Evidence surfaces to show that it was a racially motivated crime, Feds should then investigate.I think hate crime laws are silly, no one group should be protected more than others but that is a different discussion.

I am not defending Zimmerman, he is an idiot.Overzealous wannabe cop(must be a real f*ck up to not be able to be an actual cop, it's not that difficult, look at the people who become cops) who went looking for trouble and found it.Some type of altercation occurred and perhaps the kid was kicking his ass , he felt in danger and shot him.Legally, he is covered, it sucks but he is.The stand your ground law was put in place because people who defended themselves were prosecuted when they never should have been.

Governor Scott is calling for a review of the law and that is fine but Zimmerman has the law on his side in this one, like it or not.

Osmium Steele · 03-20-12, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Steelhead

It sounds to me like an overzealous and perhaps overly paranoid man decided to take the law into his own hands

Which was my, probably poorly worded, point. The PD didn't arrest him stating that what he had done was protected under Stand Your Ground.

I vehemently disagree. If anything, he was the aggressor. It will not stand up in court as a defense, and it is not the PDs call anyway.

He should have been in a cell within 24 hours, once the fog had cleared surrounding the incident.

BossMark · 03-20-12, 12:17 PM

Does Florida use the death penalty

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-20-12, 12:48 PM

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Does Florida use the death penalty

Yes, they do.

BossMark · 03-20-12, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Yes, they do.

Lets hope they use it on the piece crap that killed that poor lad then

yubba · 03-21-12, 11:27 AM

why isn't this picture in the newspaper much ?????? it has been way in the 80's here who needs to be wearing a hooded sweat shirt, all our little gansters here wears this, I rememeber being in the gunshop when some kid came in wearing a hoody like that, the owner came unglued. pic was taken march 14 2012.

gimpy117 · 03-20-12, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Osmium Steele

Which was my, probably poorly worded, point. The PD didn't arrest him stating that what he had done was protected under Stand Your Ground.

I vehemently disagree. If anything, he was the aggressor. It will not stand up in court as a defense, and it is not the PDs call anyway.

He should have been in a cell within 24 hours, once the fog had cleared surrounding the incident.

well by the phone call he made it sounds like he was not under duress when he shot the poor kid so i cant see how this applies. "stand your ground" does not have a provision for chasing down a kid with skittles and shooting him

Osmium Steele · 03-20-12, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

so i cant see how this applies. "stand your ground" does not have a provision for chasing down a kid with skittles and shooting him

And again, I agree completely. Stand Your Ground does not apply, but the cops used it as an excuse to let the killer walk free.

Stealhead · 03-20-12, 03:13 PM

The other thing that I find disturbing is the fact that Zimmerman says "these *******s always get away" get away with what? Zimmerman saw this kid do nothing but walk down the street in what he claimed was a suspicious manner appearing suspicious is not illegal and by Zimmerman's definition it seems that if you walk down the street and look around at houses that makes makes you suspect. Who the hell does not walk down the street and look at what surrounds them is a black male supposed to walk down the street with his hands on display looking straight ahead the entire time and not look over his shoulder at the person following him in a vehicle if I where to have seen the described situation and was not aware that one person was a watch captain (not driving a marked vehicle) I would think "why is that car following the kid walking down the street that looks suspect to me".

A suspicious person walks up to parked cars and looks inside or walks up to house windows and peers inside.One has to wonder if this Zimmerman sought the power to kill and found a way to do it and he spent all this time a Neighborhood watch man because he felt that this would give the best chance to shot someone perhaps he is racist and specifically wanted to kill a black male and he finally got his chance after all the *******s always get away they must have done something wrong even if I did not see it got to take him out.

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yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	why isn't this picture in the newspaper much ?????? it has been way in the 80's here who needs to be wearing a hooded sweat shirt, all our little gansters here wears this, I rememeber being in the gunshop when some kid came in wearing a hoody like that, the owner came unglued. pic was taken march 14 2012.

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Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The other thing that I find disturbing is the fact that Zimmerman says "these *****s always get away" get away with what? Zimmerman saw this kid do nothing but walk down the street in what he claimed was a suspicious manner appearing suspicious is not illegal and by Zimmerman's definition it seems that if you walk down the street and look around at houses that makes makes you suspect. Who the hell does not walk down the street and look at what surrounds them is a black male supposed to walk down the street with his hands on display looking straight ahead the entire time and not look over his shoulder at the person following him in a vehicle if I where to have seen the described situation and was not aware that one person was a watch captain (not driving a marked vehicle) I would think "why is that car following the kid walking down the street that looks suspect to me". A suspicious person walks up to parked cars and looks inside or walks up to house windows and peers inside.One has to wonder if this Zimmerman sought the power to kill and found a way to do it and he spent all this time a Neighborhood watch man because he felt that this would give the best chance to shot someone perhaps he is racist and specifically wanted to kill a black male and he finally got his chance after all the *****s always get away they must have done something wrong even if I did not see it got to take him out.