Top Nazi Rudolf Hess exhumed from 'pilgrimage' grave - Page 5

Growler · 07-21-11, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

May well be a question of prestige, from a political perspective....

"As the senior surviving Nazi, we're going to lock you up for life, but let your mates off after a few months/years."

Ain't that a bit-. Guy's out of the war in 41, but still does the time that lots of Hitler's other cronies got out of by sticking it out to the bitter end.

ZeeWolf · 07-21-11, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by conspiracy_theory

I think you maybe a little misled my friend. Can you show me where in mein kampf where it mentions exterminating anybody.

After the war, in all the records the nazi's kept, they only found one peice of paper that mentioned the extermination of jews, written in poor German.

If you watch the nuremburg trials, you will see Hermann Goring looking totally bemused as he is trying to tell the prosecution that he and Hitler knew nothing about an extermination of the jews. But who really knows eh.

Btw, there are a few alternative documentaries on the so called "death camps",worth a watch if , like me, you are into all this conspiracy stuff.One of the interesting things they show is how shallow the water table is at auswitch,so so much for the stories of thousands of people being burnt is massive pits...of water??? lol, plus how much heat would it take to burn thousands of bodies in an open pit?

But the most eye opening vid you will ever see is a video with David Irving,who was untill he wrote a book called Hitlers war (which he researched for 10 years) ,one of the worlds most trusted and celebrated historians. The problem with his book was, there was nothing on the holocaust in it. He told his jewish publishers, it was because he found no evidence of one, and after refusing to make it up as they told him to do, they pulled his book.

But if you are into hating nazi's, he does mention a lot of sick things they did actually do.

Excellent point c_t,
Mr. Irving starts speaking 11 minutes in to the video and finishes at the 1hr 12min mark.
This one hour of video is some of the most powerful and revealing and the most
compelling facts of WWII that I have ever heard in my 45 years of study.
The questions asked and answers given can only come from a scholar of
World War II history. But presented in away that honors the truth and truth seeker
as well as a novice such as I.

ZeeWolf

Gerald · 07-21-11, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

"As the senior surviving Nazi, we're going to lock you up for life, but let your mates off after a few months/years."

Ain't that a bit-. Guy's out of the war in 41, but still does the time that lots of Hitler's other cronies got out of by sticking it out to the bitter end.

What no one will have a clue about what was true or not.

Growler · 07-21-11, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

What no one will have a clue about what was true or not.

I suppose you're right in that regard, and to the extent that what's done is done, it certainly doesn't matter much, as Herr Hess is beyond caring about what happens here any longer.

Just curious is all.

Gerald · 07-21-11, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

I suppose you're right in that regard, and to the extent that what's done is done, it certainly doesn't matter much, as Herr Hess is beyond caring about what happens here any longer.

Just curious is all.

Without curiosity, it becomes difficult to handle most things, I want to say that there is a driving force in many situations that you put into its.

August · 07-21-11, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

I suppose you're right in that regard, and to the extent that what's done is done, it certainly doesn't matter much, as Herr Hess is beyond caring about what happens here any longer.

It was never about just Hess. It's about neo-nazis and their sympathizers attempting to whitewash their ideologies bloody past and gain a level of acceptability. We should never allow this to occur or we risk unleashing their evil on the world again.

Growler · 07-21-11, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by August

It was never about just Hess. It's about neo-nazis and their sympathizers attempting to whitewash their ideologies bloody past and gain a level of acceptability. We should never allow this to occur or we risk unleashing their evil on the world again.

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly in regard to the removal of Hess' remains - I didn't mean to give the impression otherwise, and apologize if I did.

I'm just curious as to folks' thoughts why Hess spent the rest of his life in Spandau, when, if I remember correctly, no other convicted Nazi suffered the same fate.

Sailor Steve · 07-21-11, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

Where is Steve? If anyone can cram a trolls terrible argument where the sun doesn't shine it's him.

Right here, catching up. And you're wrong about me, at least in this case, because I don't have all the answers. I've seen enough to have the opinion that deniers mostly want Nazism to come back, and even once had the pleasure of talking to a neo-Nazi who insisted that it was all a lie, the Nazis never killed any jews. When I asked what his solution was, he replied "Kill all the lying Jews."

So my question to this guy is the same: Assuming you are right, what is your answer to the problem?

Oh, and Hottentot is doing a great job, so why should I butt in? I haven't even read Mein Kampf. On the other hand I do have a great big book called The Auschwitz Chronical, which contains all the records for the entire existence of that camp. Unfortunately it's currently in my storage. Fortunately I should be moving all that stuff to my apartment tomorrow.

Now I have to risk stepping on some toes, and please remember it's just my opinion. Why is it against the law to deny the holocaust in Europe? I think it's because there is an absolutism hard-wired into the German psyche, that says something must be one thing or the other. I believe that the same gene that led to Nazi intolerance in the first place now leads to absolute intolerance for anything the Nazis did or stood for. I first started thinking this in my early days as a model builder when I would read requests in magazines for German aircraft markings, since European model manufacturers couldn't put swastikas in their kits.

Preposterous? Probably. But my grandmother was from Germany and I see it in myself. But I also have to admit that it's no more likely than horoscopes being true. So I don't know, and no, I don't really believe it. But every time I grind my teeth when someone walks across the street against the light, I wonder about myself.

As to Cosnpiracy Theory, I'll bet he believes this absolutely, and while he tries to get everyone else to question their beliefs, he never questions himself. He's either absolutely convince he's absolutely right, with no room for even a question, or else, as someone pointed out, he's one of our keelhauled trolls returned for some fun.

ZeeWolf · 07-21-11, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by August

It was never about just Hess. It's about neo-nazis and their sympathizers attempting to whitewash their ideologies bloody past and gain a level of acceptability. We should never allow this to occur or we risk unleashing their evil on the world again.

Hi August,
And what evil are you referring to? The murder of innocent people maybe?
Murder, stealing and wonton destruction with the proportion of out right lies has not even slowed down since the
the effort to "make the world safe for democracy". And that started all most
a hundred years ago.
Most men I know hate lies and liars, as I myself do. But it was those who hate
the truth who cried out "CRUCIFY HIM!" the loudest.

Just something to think about,

ZeeWolf

August · 07-21-11, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

Hi August,
And what evil are you referring to? The murder of innocent people maybe?
Murder, stealing and wonton destruction with the proportion of out right lies has not even slowed down since the
the effort to "make the world safe for democracy". And that started all most
a hundred years ago.
Most men I know hate lies and liars, as I myself do. But it was those who hate
the truth who cried out "CRUCIFY HIM!" the loudest.

Just something to think about,

ZeeWolf

So what you're saying is the nazis weren't evil? That other evil people and regimes excuse the nazis crimes?

There is nothing good about nazism or the people who espouse that ideology.

ZeeWolf · 07-21-11, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by August

So what you're saying is the nazis weren't evil? That other evil people and regimes excuse the nazis crimes?

There is nothing good about nazism or the people who espouse that ideology.

I do not think the nazis or naziism would even be an issue if the truth was as
valued as say - a nations freedom.

07-21-11, 04:31 PM

What the European facists exposed to the world is how people can be controlled and manipulated with consumate ease. Edward Bernates in 1920's USA understood this concept very well, and was probably the first man to actually put the idea into practice.

Freedom is a confrontational event, it is not just a word. Freedon: I am free to think and speak my mind in a free Nation, without control or hinderance from others.

This is where the problem really starts, yes I am free to think and speak, but when my thoughts and words stat to control others, our freedom is threatened. Hitler and his like studied Bernayes and discovered new ways of controlling people through education and reason. The Nazies where corrupted by their own arrogance, and through them a Nation was corruputed, the result, a second European civil war from which Europe has never really recovered.

August · 07-21-11, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeeWolf

I do not think the nazis or naziism would even be an issue if the truth was as
valued as say - a nations freedom.

I've seen the results of the nazi version "truth" and "freedom" and as far as i'm concerned anyone who espouses the nazi ideology is an enemy of humanity.

07-21-11, 05:39 PM

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Excellent point c_t,
Mr. Irving starts speaking .......

You really have to read no further than that.
David Irving

Bloody loonys

ZeeWolf · 07-21-11, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I've seen the results of the nazi version "truth" and "freedom" and as far as i'm concerned anyone who espouses the nazi ideology is an enemy of humanity.

Interesting but totally beside the point. A suppressor of truth is far worse than a "enemy of humanity" they become immediately an enemy of the truth.
Look, the truth will stand forever and therefore can never be destroyed. But on the other hand a lie can be destroyed in an instant and that is why a man like
Mr. Irving is so reviled and despised. The house of fraud that is built on lies will always resort to any and all means to stay standing and applauds deceit and
character assassination etc...

As far as freedom is concerned it was Jesus that said "Know the truth because it is the truth that sets you free".

As far as the term "enemy of humanity" that's just another Marxist term of
abuse used to denounce and destroy.

ZeeWolf

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sidslotm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	What the European facists exposed to the world is how people can be controlled and manipulated with consumate ease. Edward Bernates in 1920's USA understood this concept very well, and was probably the first man to actually put the idea into practice. Freedom is a confrontational event, it is not just a word. Freedon: I am free to think and speak my mind in a free Nation, without control or hinderance from others. This is where the problem really starts, yes I am free to think and speak, but when my thoughts and words stat to control others, our freedom is threatened. Hitler and his like studied Bernayes and discovered new ways of controlling people through education and reason. The Nazies where corrupted by their own arrogance, and through them a Nation was corruputed, the result, a second European civil war from which Europe has never really recovered.