Iran/US conflict - Page 4

Jimbuna · 07-18-19, 08:49 AM

They may be referring to the Riah.

Quote:

Iran says it seized a "foreign tanker" and its 12 crew on Sunday for smuggling fuel in the Gulf.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49029053

vienna · 07-18-19, 04:58 PM

The more I hear about the situation, the more I wonder about the Revolutionary Guards: could it be possible the Ayatollahs in the Iranian government have lost their leash hold on the Guards and the Guard has gone rogue? It wouldn't be the first time a radical fanatic military unit has turned on its own leaders, usually because they deem the leadership as too 'soft'. The only other conclusion would be the Ayatollahs have a real death wish...

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Mr Quatro · 07-18-19, 05:22 PM

News just said a USN ship shot down an Iranian drone

nikimcbee · 07-18-19, 06:25 PM

Dumb question. Why don't we just female dog slap these guys, like we did to the Libyans in the mid-1980s or the Serbs during Kosovo?

Are they: Too powerful?
Too psychotic?
They will escalate it more?

Are we:
Too weak to really do anything?
No will?
Too politically divided?

Now that I think about it, what would happen if we treated them like the Serbs during Kosovo? Limited air campaign and bomb the poop out of their navy. No need to invade or full on ground war, treat them like school yard bully and give them a good punch in the nose. Pre snowflake and millennial days, when you could fight at school w/o having a news crew show up.

vienna · 07-18-19, 07:08 PM

Probably could/would happen, but Donald Snowflake overrode his advisors and called it off t the last minute; now, that probably ticked off his Saudi masters...

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Rockstar · 07-18-19, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Dumb question. Why don't we just female dog slap these guys, like we did to the Libyans in the mid-1980s or the Serbs during Kosovo?

Are they: Too powerful?
Too psychotic?
They will escalate it more?

Are we:
Too weak to really do anything?
No will?
Too politically divided?

Now that I think about it, what would happen if we treated them like the Serbs during Kosovo? Limited air campaign and bomb the poop out of their navy. No need to invade or full on ground war, treat them like school yard bully and give them a good punch in the nose. Pre snowflake and millennial days, when you could fight at school w/o having a news crew show up.

I dont think its because we're weak, far from it. I don't think it has anything to do with real domestic politics either, or a lack of will. The question is what do we get out of it if we do? Libya we had the backing of the U.N. France and others to intervene to destabilize the country and gain access to gold and oil. Siding with the Albanians the U.S./E.U. got access to a resource rich land and more importantly we got to stick it too the Russians again

. The idea of just flying around the world and bombing the snot out of other countries navy's just because we can probably isn't such a good idea.

Catfish · 07-19-19, 02:42 AM

It looks like the US just shot down an own drone.

JU_88 · 07-19-19, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Dumb question. Why don't we just female dog slap these guys, like we did to the Libyans in the mid-1980s or the Serbs during Kosovo?

Because like NK, they are considerably more powerful than any other Nation the U.S has been in direct conflict with in the last 50 years.
....And (drum roll) they are allied with Russia.
So yeah, it wouldn't just be another Iraq (as if that wasn't bad enough) It would likely be far worse and much harder to contain

Skybird · 07-19-19, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by vienna

The more I hear about the situation, the more I wonder about the Revolutionary Guards: could it be possible the Ayatollahs in the Iranian government have lost their leash hold on the Guards and the Guard has gone rogue? It wouldn't be the first time a radical fanatic military unit has turned on its own leaders, usually because they deem the leadership as too 'soft'. The only other conclusion would be the Ayatollahs have a real death wish...

The RG are a state within the state, and their officers control and own criticla parts of the Iranian economy, industry and business, so they have their own material interests for sure - and they use their position to protect them. This is not rwally new, but is so since longer time, it was like this already in the 90s, maybe not to sich and extensive degree, but I canot comoare since IU do not know the present status, but I would expect it has become worse in the past 20+ years.

You can maybe think of it by comparing them to the Praetorians in Rome. initially founded as a elite guard for the Ceasars, they sometimes turned against their masters if these were in the way of their own interests. I do not say that the RG can and would turn against the Ayatollahs any time soon, but I think it is important to not foget that they have their own interests - and the Ayatollahs must take them into account.

Jimbuna · 07-19-19, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

News just said a USN ship shot down an Iranian drone

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

It looks like the US just shot down an own drone.

Friend or foe?

This article reckons foe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49040415

Catfish · 07-19-19, 06:22 AM

from the article:
"US destroyed Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz, says Trump"
edited a bit.:
I guess this is "evidence" enough (ahem)

JU_88 · 07-19-19, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

from the article:
"US destroyed Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz, says Trump"
I guess this is evidence enough.

Trump says they did, Iranian officals says they didn't,

So we have a choice.

a) Sit tight and sensibly wait for some reliable evidence.

b) Mouth off predictions based on personal bias and on the silly assumption that either of the above claims is trustworthy.

Much of the media will choose b) naturally.

ikalugin · 07-19-19, 07:17 AM

c) go to war

Skybird · 07-19-19, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

from the article:
"US destroyed Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz, says Trump"
I guess this is evidence enough.

This kind of queer logic does not do you any favour. It just is not enough to justify your conclusion.

JU_88 · 07-19-19, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

This kind of queer logic does not do you any favour. It just is not enough to justify your conclusion.

I'm now not clear if You failed to detected his sarcasm sky, or in fact you did and are telling him off for insinuating the evidence points to Trump lying and Iran being honest.

Either way there is nothing neutral or reliable to go on.

07-18-19, 04:58 PM	#47
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,503 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The more I hear about the situation, the more I wonder about the Revolutionary Guards: could it be possible the Ayatollahs in the Iranian government have lost their leash hold on the Guards and the Guard has gone rogue? It wouldn't be the first time a radical fanatic military unit has turned on its own leaders, usually because they deem the leadership as too 'soft'. The only other conclusion would be the Ayatollahs have a real death wish... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

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07-18-19, 06:25 PM	#49
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,924 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Dumb question. Why don't we just female dog slap these guys, like we did to the Libyans in the mid-1980s or the Serbs during Kosovo? Are they: Too powerful? Too psychotic? They will escalate it more? Are we: Too weak to really do anything? No will? Too politically divided? Now that I think about it, what would happen if we treated them like the Serbs during Kosovo? Limited air campaign and bomb the poop out of their navy. No need to invade or full on ground war, treat them like school yard bully and give them a good punch in the nose. Pre snowflake and millennial days, when you could fight at school w/o having a news crew show up. __________________

07-18-19, 07:08 PM	#50
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,503 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Probably could/would happen, but Donald Snowflake overrode his advisors and called it off t the last minute; now, that probably ticked off his Saudi masters... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

07-19-19, 02:42 AM	#52
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	It looks like the US just shot down an own drone. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

07-19-19, 06:22 AM	#56
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	from the article: "US destroyed Iranian drone in Strait of Hormuz, says Trump" edited a bit.: I guess this is "evidence" enough (ahem) __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 07-19-19 at 07:23 AM.*

07-19-19, 07:17 AM	#58
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	c) go to war __________________ Grumpy as always.