US Politics Thread 2021 - Page 292

Catfish · 11-09-22, 04:37 AM

Seems they still like Mr. Abbott in Texas

Staying in power has a new meaning..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis

Ostfriese · 11-09-22, 05:40 AM

The results so far seem to be within what could have been expected based on polls, but on the low end for the republicans.

Skybird · 11-09-22, 06:45 AM

DeSantis collects a triumph. And immediately the Donald warns him to not candidate against him.

Lets see what lessons the Republicans learn from this election, it did not give them the great march-through they expected, many of the Donald's favourites flopped. Maybe they finally have to face the fact that having the Donald with them is more of a mortgage and burden than an ace up their sleeve. I suspect that this election has become the second time that the Donald has been seen as a threat that must be prevented at all costs - driving additional pro-Democrats voters to the polls who were not previously expected.

If so, letting the Donald candidate in 2024 sounds not like a good idea. The Santis is like the Donald, just more clever and intelligent were Donald is just rude and stupid, DeSantis is personally less unpleasant and less stupid and arrogant, and offering less attack surface. He probably is the better option to go with.

No, I am no fan of DeSantis. I only describe the election chances of two possible candidates in two years.

Ostfriese · 11-09-22, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

DeSantis collects a triumph. And immediately the Donald warns him to not candidate against him.

Lets see what lessons the Republicans learn from this election, it did not give them the great march-through they expected, many of the Donald's favourites flopped. Maybe they finally have to face the fact that having the Donald with them is more of a mortgage and burden than an ace up their sleeve. I suspect that this election has become the second time that the Donald has been seen as a threat that must be prevented at all costs - driving additional pro-Democrats voters to the polls who were not previously expected.

If so, letting the Donald candidate in 2024 sounds not like a good idea. The Santis is like the Donald, just more clever and intelligent were Donald is just rude and stupid, DeSantis is personally less unpleasant and less stupid and arrogant, and offering less attack surface. He probably is the better option to go with.

No, I am no fan of DeSantis. I only describe the election chances of two possible candidates in two years.

I'm not sure about that. Trump has already shown that he's a sore loser, and if he loses to DeSantis in the primaries I'd not expect him to be quiet and accepting about it.

Dowly · 11-09-22, 08:06 AM

Let's see if Trump even decides to run; the RNC has stated that they stop paying Trump's legal bills, if he announces 2024 run.

Skybird · 11-09-22, 09:09 AM

That the Donald wants to save America for a third time

is beyond doubt, whether they let him - that is something different.

That he has warned DeSantis to not candidate against Trump, is fact. Or was it fake? Or is it the same? I mean, its too difficult anyway to keep both things separate. I mean, claim already is evidence these days.

Difficult, these new political realities. Or is it alternate realities? Multiverses, one for each mouth speaking?

With one Donald in each of them?

A nightmareverse.

Onkel Neal · 11-09-22, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Seems they still like Mr. Abbott in Texas

Staying in power has a new meaning..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis

Well, consider the alternative, Beto, he's a gold-plated joke. Runs for some officer every year: Senator, President, Governor. Perennial poster boy for the naïve and gullible. I wish he would just move to Kalifornia already and run for governor there, he would win in a landslide.

Abbott is ok but he's too moderate. I do like his sending illegal aliens directly to sanctuary cities, however. Listen to the lefties howl.

Skybird · 11-09-22, 09:22 AM

Die Zeit draws a preliminary conclusion and comments:
---------------------

Not every decision has been made, not all votes have been counted, and the "red tsunami" is probably no more than a gentle wave. But the success of J. D. Vance and many other extreme Republican candidates, regardless of the final outcome of these midterms, shows that the political foundation of the United States has shifted permanently.

Both parties had one central message during the election campaign: it was about saving America. But not both political camps want to save democracy anymore. Many Republicans see it at best as a decorative label, but otherwise they don't care about what constitutes a functioning democracy: accepting election results, for example. And some of those who think so are now entering Congress.

Even before the election, citizens expressed great concern about the state of democracy in polls. Four years of Donald Trump's presidency and a violent mob outside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, have left their mark on the country. There has been much debate about the resilience of American democracy since then. For Republicans, it obviously wasn't electorally decisive. It's not the attack on a Democratic institution that worries them, but an encroaching leftist government, the alleged Deep State.

Senate-elected Trump supporter J.D. Vance and others may not seem scary and radical at first impression, like radical right-wing conspiracy supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene - who defended her House seat - but they are no less nefarious. They just sell their nefariousness to their supporters as exactly what their America needs to be saved. Ron DeSantis, who was re-elected governor of Florida by a wide margin, shows how it's done. He talks about the dangers of a radical left, the crisis at the border, elections in jeopardy, woker indoctrination in schools, fake news media, and at the same time how he wants to help hard working people in the U.S. regain an American dream. They are buzzwords heard across the country.

For Democrats, however, saving their America means saving democracy. Only how to save a democracy from demise when their own supporters hear the message but don't act on it? In the 2020 presidential election, Donald Trump drew as a bogeyman. In recent weeks, Joe Biden and his party have also warned. And in doing so, perhaps prevented the worst, given only the current state of the results. But it has not been enough to trigger a "Democratic wave."

American politics has become exhausting, frustrating, an eternal struggle. It can be tempting to retreat into one's own daily routine, to hope that everything will work out, just as it did with Biden. That a Democrat will be president again and that the damage will be contained. Only, it's not really going well anymore.

Trump is about to run for president again. That would consolidate his power over the Republican Party. And the danger is real that the democratic institutions will no longer be able to withstand this right-wing movement because, at worst, the extreme would no longer sit in the White House. The extremists are now in the Senate, in the House of Representatives, in important offices in the states. They may not yet have a majority, but they often have control of the committees and offices they oppose. And thus have a larger and more influential platform from which to spread their misinformation, further increasing citizens' distrust of these same democratic institutions.

It is then only a small step to simply strip away the ornamental label of democracy, because even their own voters no longer need it. And then armed insurgents in front of the Capitol and violent lone wolves attacking political opponents could also be seen quite openly as a logical continuation of this salvation. Not all conservatives in the United States want to go down that road. It's just that moderates are increasingly losing their place in the Republican Party.

Of course, the U.S. is not lost yet. The other voices are still there. They have been heard in many races this midterms. But to save American democracy, the answer can no longer be simply to return to something that has been lost in recent years. What the Founding Fathers once envisioned no longer works for the United States today. The political system must change fundamentally to preserve democratic processes. For example, via a federal law that protects voter rights. Or via term limits on Supreme Court judgeships to make the court more independent again. But that will require clear, bipartisan majorities that the country hasn't seen in years.

The anxious question about the stability of U.S. democracy has long ceased to be a theoretical one; it is more pressing than ever. And no one should be reassured by images of a Democratic president in the White House, a possible Democratic majority in the Senate, or one or two extreme candidates who didn't make it this time. There can be no peace after these elections.
-----------------------------

Rockstar · 11-09-22, 10:01 AM

Here’s a news flash for you people with Trump living rent free in your brains.

It’s the economy stupids. @4:04

Onkel Neal · 11-09-22, 11:32 AM

Saving democracy my ass. I love how the elections are now always "close" and they have to "wait for more metro ballots to be counted". In every race.

Die Zeit sounds like a mental patient.

les green01 · 11-09-22, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Saving democracy my ass. I love how the elections are now always "close" and they have to "wait for more metro ballots to be counted". In every race.

Die Zeit sounds like a mental patient.

or file objections before the votes are counted far has trump i have friends that thinks he the greatest thing since slice bread but then i had family that met him well i won't put down what they think of him but we going have to be honest you can't treat people or voters way trump did or does and expect to be elected and jan 6 play a part of this election with some candidates that was there lost i know if trump runs again i won't vote for him but then i can't vote for a democrat for what they stand for

mapuc · 11-09-22, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

Let's see if Trump even decides to run; the RNC has stated that they stop paying Trump's legal bills, if he announces 2024 run.

As I read it, it doesn't prevent him from going solo.

What that means for the Rep. I can't say.

Markus

les green01 · 11-09-22, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

As I read it, it doesn't prevent him from going solo.

What that means for the Rep. I can't say.

Markus

if he ran independent it should help republican expressly if biden/harris runs again

Rockstar · 11-09-22, 12:23 PM

European news, it’s like cope cages. Desperately drilling into European brains how better off they have it. When in reality it’s probably the same if not worse.

Democracy is just fine here. In fact nobody thought it needed saving until the lead up to the mid terms. It’s another political slogan the latest headline to induce a reaction, gain a vote, or sell papers.

Skybird · 11-09-22, 12:24 PM

Biden - running...?

11-09-22, 04:37 AM	#4366
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,124 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Seems they still like Mr. Abbott in Texas Staying in power has a new meaning.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 11-09-22 at 04:49 AM.*

11-09-22, 06:45 AM	#4368
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 38,413 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	DeSantis collects a triumph. And immediately the Donald warns him to not candidate against him. Lets see what lessons the Republicans learn from this election, it did not give them the great march-through they expected, many of the Donald's favourites flopped. Maybe they finally have to face the fact that having the Donald with them is more of a mortgage and burden than an ace up their sleeve. I suspect that this election has become the second time that the Donald has been seen as a threat that must be prevented at all costs - driving additional pro-Democrats voters to the polls who were not previously expected. If so, letting the Donald candidate in 2024 sounds not like a good idea. The Santis is like the Donald, just more clever and intelligent were Donald is just rude and stupid, DeSantis is personally less unpleasant and less stupid and arrogant, and offering less attack surface. He probably is the better option to go with. No, I am no fan of DeSantis. I only describe the election chances of two possible candidates in two years. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-22, 09:09 AM	#4371
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 38,413 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	That the Donald wants to save America for a third time is beyond doubt, whether they let him - that is something different. That he has warned DeSantis to not candidate against Trump, is fact. Or was it fake? Or is it the same? I mean, its too difficult anyway to keep both things separate. I mean, claim already is evidence these days. Difficult, these new political realities. Or is it alternate realities? Multiverses, one for each mouth speaking? With one Donald in each of them? A nightmareverse. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-22, 09:22 AM	#4373
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 38,413 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Die Zeit draws a preliminary conclusion and comments: --------------------- Not every decision has been made, not all votes have been counted, and the "red tsunami" is probably no more than a gentle wave. But the success of J. D. Vance and many other extreme Republican candidates, regardless of the final outcome of these midterms, shows that the political foundation of the United States has shifted permanently. Both parties had one central message during the election campaign: it was about saving America. But not both political camps want to save democracy anymore. Many Republicans see it at best as a decorative label, but otherwise they don't care about what constitutes a functioning democracy: accepting election results, for example. And some of those who think so are now entering Congress. Even before the election, citizens expressed great concern about the state of democracy in polls. Four years of Donald Trump's presidency and a violent mob outside the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, have left their mark on the country. There has been much debate about the resilience of American democracy since then. For Republicans, it obviously wasn't electorally decisive. It's not the attack on a Democratic institution that worries them, but an encroaching leftist government, the alleged Deep State. Senate-elected Trump supporter J.D. Vance and others may not seem scary and radical at first impression, like radical right-wing conspiracy supporter Marjorie Taylor Greene - who defended her House seat - but they are no less nefarious. They just sell their nefariousness to their supporters as exactly what their America needs to be saved. Ron DeSantis, who was re-elected governor of Florida by a wide margin, shows how it's done. He talks about the dangers of a radical left, the crisis at the border, elections in jeopardy, woker indoctrination in schools, fake news media, and at the same time how he wants to help hard working people in the U.S. regain an American dream. They are buzzwords heard across the country. For Democrats, however, saving their America means saving democracy. Only how to save a democracy from demise when their own supporters hear the message but don't act on it? In the 2020 presidential election, Donald Trump drew as a bogeyman. In recent weeks, Joe Biden and his party have also warned. And in doing so, perhaps prevented the worst, given only the current state of the results. But it has not been enough to trigger a "Democratic wave." American politics has become exhausting, frustrating, an eternal struggle. It can be tempting to retreat into one's own daily routine, to hope that everything will work out, just as it did with Biden. That a Democrat will be president again and that the damage will be contained. Only, it's not really going well anymore. Trump is about to run for president again. That would consolidate his power over the Republican Party. And the danger is real that the democratic institutions will no longer be able to withstand this right-wing movement because, at worst, the extreme would no longer sit in the White House. The extremists are now in the Senate, in the House of Representatives, in important offices in the states. They may not yet have a majority, but they often have control of the committees and offices they oppose. And thus have a larger and more influential platform from which to spread their misinformation, further increasing citizens' distrust of these same democratic institutions. It is then only a small step to simply strip away the ornamental label of democracy, because even their own voters no longer need it. And then armed insurgents in front of the Capitol and violent lone wolves attacking political opponents could also be seen quite openly as a logical continuation of this salvation. Not all conservatives in the United States want to go down that road. It's just that moderates are increasingly losing their place in the Republican Party. Of course, the U.S. is not lost yet. The other voices are still there. They have been heard in many races this midterms. But to save American democracy, the answer can no longer be simply to return to something that has been lost in recent years. What the Founding Fathers once envisioned no longer works for the United States today. The political system must change fundamentally to preserve democratic processes. For example, via a federal law that protects voter rights. Or via term limits on Supreme Court judgeships to make the court more independent again. But that will require clear, bipartisan majorities that the country hasn't seen in years. The anxious question about the stability of U.S. democracy has long ceased to be a theoretical one; it is more pressing than ever. And no one should be reassured by images of a Democratic president in the White House, a possible Democratic majority in the Senate, or one or two extreme candidates who didn't make it this time. There can be no peace after these elections. ----------------------------- __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-22, 10:01 AM	#4374
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 10,425 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Here’s a news flash for you people with Trump living rent free in your brains. It’s the economy stupids. @4:04 __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts It’s not propaganda if you believe it.

11-09-22, 05:40 AM	#4367
Ostfriese Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 824 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The results so far seem to be within what could have been expected based on polls, but on the low end for the republicans.

11-09-22, 08:06 AM	#4370
Dowly CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 24,976 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Let's see if Trump even decides to run; the RNC has stated that they stop paying Trump's legal bills, if he announces 2024 run.

11-09-22, 11:32 AM	#4375
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,083 Downloads: 525 Uploads: 223	Saving democracy my ass. I love how the elections are now always "close" and they have to "wait for more metro ballots to be counted". In every race. Die Zeit sounds like a mental patient. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

11-09-22, 12:23 PM	#4379
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 10,425 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	European news, it’s like cope cages. Desperately drilling into European brains how better off they have it. When in reality it’s probably the same if not worse. Democracy is just fine here. In fact nobody thought it needed saving until the lead up to the mid terms. It’s another political slogan the latest headline to induce a reaction, gain a vote, or sell papers. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts It’s not propaganda if you believe it. Last edited by Rockstar; 11-09-22 at 12:35 PM.

11-09-22, 12:24 PM	#4380
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 38,413 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Biden - running...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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