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Old 04-01-23, 11:29 AM   #5521
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I know that the States has some independent from Washington DC

I also know things like the military and foreign affairs is decided from Washington and some domestic laws is up the each States.

But who far goes this independent and when does United States Constitution, take over ?

Read an article in a Danish newspaper about some organization who had dragged their states into court for breaking federal laws and the sentence was:
United States Constitution had been violated and the Law from this State was therefore invalid.

It was something with open carry weapon-This State had forbidden it and three organization had accused the local government for violating the Constitution.

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Old 04-01-23, 12:30 PM   #5522
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I know that the States has some independent from Washington DC

I also know things like the military and foreign affairs is decided from Washington and some domestic laws is up the each States.

But who far goes this independent and when does United States Constitution, take over ?

Read an article in a Danish newspaper about some organization who had dragged their states into court for breaking federal laws and the sentence was:
United States Constitution had been violated and the Law from this State was therefore invalid.

It was something with open carry weapon-This State had forbidden it and three organization had accused the local government for violating the Constitution.

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That was Minnesota, and the law prohibited 18-20 year-olds from carrying pistols.
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Based on a careful review of the record, the court finds that defendants have failed to identify analogous regulations that show a historical tradition in America of depriving 18- to 20-year-olds the right to publicly carry a handgun for self-defense," Menendez wrote. "As a result, the age requirement prohibiting persons between the ages of 18 and 20 from obtaining such a permit to carry violates the Second Amendment."
As for who takes precedent in the law, Federal or State Government. I refer you to the 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights (The U.S. Constitution):
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
in laymans terms, the Constitution is the final word in the law. However It's interpretation on the other hand tends to be subjective, which explains the contentiousness between the Executive branch, legislative branch and citizens when it comes to governing.
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Old 04-01-23, 01:41 PM   #5523
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Thank you MaDef

I did as you said and read some pages about your 10th Amendment

I found this passages Which I need some explanation on.

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The Tenth Amendment confirms the understanding of the people at the time the Constitution was adopted1 that the powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.2 In this sense, the Amendment is merely declaratory—a truism that all is retained which has not been surrendered.3 Justice Joseph Story characterizes it as a mere affirmation of a necessary rule of interpreting the Constitution:

Being an instrument of limited and enumerated powers, it follows irresistibly, that what is not conferred, is withheld, and belongs to the state authorities, if invested by their constitutions of government respectively in them; and if not so in vested, it is retained BY THE PEOPLE, as a part of their residuary sovereignty.4
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Old 04-01-23, 04:18 PM   #5524
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Let me put it in Layman's terms:
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The Tenth Amendment says that the Federal Government only has those powers delegated in the Constitution. If it isn't listed, it belongs to the states or to the people.
So in this case the Feds already have jurisdiction via the second amendment.
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So in this case the Feds already have jurisdiction via the second amendment.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-in...ry?id=98273962
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said multiple investigators in East Palestine, Ohio, fell ill while studying possible health impacts from the train derailment last month.
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Not sure what your point is exactly?
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Not sure what your point is exactly?



https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-in...ry?id=98273962
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said multiple investigators in East Palestine, Ohio, fell ill while studying possible health impacts from the train derailment last month.
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Still not sure what you are getting at, everyone knows that that spill & subsequent burn had immediate and detrimental effects on the health of the people nearby and the surrounding environment. It will also be awhile before the "cleanup" is completed and the toxin levels return to acceptable levels.
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I post the article as ABC gave it. Not more, not less, nothing else. No hidden agenda of mine. No point I want to get at.
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I post the article as ABC gave it. Not more, not less, nothing else. No hidden agenda of mine. No point I want to get at.
Ok, I'll bite..... Why did you post it?
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I know the answer I asked it anyway

Do you consider the crime he is accused of, is of such a nature, that he must go to prison or do you consider it for a minor misdemeanor or do you consider him for being innocent.

In Danish article it was said that his supporters whereof some important GOP members is saying he's innocent.

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