Huge pro-EU rally grips Ukraine - Page 14

Skybird · 02-28-14, 08:06 AM

A German article makes me think it could also be another scenario. The author points out that on many videos and photos the uniforms show a very consistent look and that the units are extremely well organised and disciplined, and are very well equipped. Also, they operate with great coordination and precisions, very focussed, and obviously know very well what they are doing, and when, and where. That implies a very strong central command with the needed means of communication.

I think this speaks not so much for just some groups of hobby warriors or a militia, but that it could be Russian special units who have took off their nationality emblems and regular uniforms.

What would the legal status of such troops operating in another formally sovereign country be then? I assume nothing too positive?

The Russians have 13,000 troops and military members in Sewastopol.

Or is it Ukrainian troops that try to deceive the West over a Russian intervention in order to bring NATO into this, like Shaakashviuli tried in Georgia when he gave his many lies as an excuse for his demand why NATO should intervene on his behalf?

Oberon · 02-28-14, 08:08 AM

According to the BBC, a Russian frigate is patrolling the entrance to Balaklava.

Oberon · 02-28-14, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

A German article makes me think it could also be another scenario. The author points out that on many videos and photos the uniforms show a very consistent look and that the units are extremely well organised and disciplined, and are very well equipped. Also, they operate with great coordination and precisions, very focussed.

I think this speaks not so much for just some groups of hobby warriors or a militia, but that it could be Russian special units who have took off their nationality emblems and regular uniforms.

What would the legal status of such troops operating in another formally sovereign country be then? I assume nothing too positive?

The Russians have 13,000 troops and military members in Sewastopol.

Or is it Ukrainian troops that try to deceive the West over a Russian intervention in order to bring NATO into this, like Shaakashviuli tried in Georgia when he gave his many lies as an excuse for his demand why NATO should intervene on his behalf?

That's what I thought too, that's not a rag-tag band of men, undoubtedly there are some militia there, but it just seems to co-ordinated.
They've apparently pulled back from the airport and are maintain ro*******s (road b-lo-cks) around it.
I doubt it's Ukrainian forces, at least ones under central command, since there is no real central command at the moment after the head of the Ukrainian armed forces was fired. It's, in my opinion anyway, either Russian backed and equipped militia forces, or Russian special forces posing as Ukrainian forces, like you say, Russian speaking forces wouldn't be a strange thing in parts of the Ukraine.

One rather odd thing strikes me though, in a few of these pictures and video footage of these men at the airport I've seen...some of them don't have magazines in their rifles...

Flamebatter90 · 02-28-14, 08:26 AM

I read somewhere that they (the guys at the airport) had armored vehicles as well. Looking at them, they certainly seem very organized.

Jimbuna · 02-28-14, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

A German article makes me think it could also be another scenario. The author points out that on many videos and photos the uniforms show a very consistent look and that the units are extremely well organised and disciplined, and are very well equipped. Also, they operate with great coordination and precisions, very focussed, and obviously know very well what they are doing, and when, and where. That implies a very strong central command with the needed means of communication.

I think this speaks not so much for just some groups of hobby warriors or a militia, but that it could be Russian special units who have took off their nationality emblems and regular uniforms.

What would the legal status of such troops operating in another formally sovereign country be then? I assume nothing too positive?

The Russians have 13,000 troops and military members in Sewastopol.

Or is it Ukrainian troops that try to deceive the West over a Russian intervention in order to bring NATO into this, like Shaakashviuli tried in Georgia when he gave his many lies as an excuse for his demand why NATO should intervene on his behalf?

Spetsnaz

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Originally Posted by Oberon

According to the BBC, a Russian frigate is patrolling the entrance to Balaklava.

Showing the flag.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26382555

Oberon · 02-28-14, 08:40 AM

Turns out the Frigate is actually a corvette...

A Tarantul III class corvette, the Ivanovets.

Skybird · 02-28-14, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Spetsnaz

Ah, Russian Chuck Norrises. Would explain why some of them do not need magazines.

Jimbuna · 02-28-14, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Ah, Russian Chuck Norrises. Would explain why some of them do not need magazines.

Looks like a job for Rambo.

STEED · 02-28-14, 11:31 AM

Dave Cameron is ready to throw pots of money at them.

mapuc · 02-28-14, 01:59 PM

I stand corrected, NATO are not going to do anything, if Russia intervene in Crimea-Just read it in a Danish newspaper.

Markus

Jimbuna · 02-28-14, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I stand corrected, NATO are not going to do anything, if Russia intervene in Crimea-Just read it in a Danish newspaper.

Markus

I don't doubt anybody expects NATO or the EU to do anything militarily but the EU may well throw loads of money at the problem.

Mr Quatro · 02-28-14, 02:41 PM

Hard to decide which side to be on ... raised to hate what is evil and cling to what is good.

Russia should have a say so in what a former country decides to do.

The president of the Ukraine says he is still the president, but yet he is in hiding. Pro Russians galore and pro-freedom fighters asking for EU to bail them out.

This problem needs more study than I have time to give it ... "please Mr Putin no more blood shed"

Schroeder · 02-28-14, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

One rather odd thing strikes me though, in a few of these pictures and video footage of these men at the airport I've seen...some of them don't have magazines in their rifles...

Could be sort of a de-escalation thing. But it doesn't take very long to put one in if needed, believe me.

Oberon · 02-28-14, 03:01 PM

The trouble with the Ukraine is that there's good and bad on both sides. Lots of nationalism, fascism, racism, and corruption in the mix. It's an ugly combination, and I don't think it's going to get any better soon.

kranz · 02-28-14, 03:36 PM

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Russia should have a say so in what a former country decides to do.

please say that you are either buzzed or on some hard drugs cuz if this is trolling, I'm giving you -3/10.

Poland, the former Czechoslovakia, the former Yugoslavia, Belarus, Lithuania and sth like a dozen of other countries are 'former USSR' (with different levels of independence ofc).

I tried to read through the thread, stuck on SB's gibberish but also noticed how quite a few ppl actually believed in his story...so wow..
.My favorite fragments are 'the blue map' and '70-80% are Russians'.

There are a few villages in Poland where Gypsies make 90% of inhabitants and Poles need 'Gypsyland visas' to enter these villages.
A true story, guys. 110% of truth.

02-28-14, 08:06 AM	#196
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,492 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	A German article makes me think it could also be another scenario. The author points out that on many videos and photos the uniforms show a very consistent look and that the units are extremely well organised and disciplined, and are very well equipped. Also, they operate with great coordination and precisions, very focussed, and obviously know very well what they are doing, and when, and where. That implies a very strong central command with the needed means of communication. I think this speaks not so much for just some groups of hobby warriors or a militia, but that it could be Russian special units who have took off their nationality emblems and regular uniforms. What would the legal status of such troops operating in another formally sovereign country be then? I assume nothing too positive? The Russians have 13,000 troops and military members in Sewastopol. Or is it Ukrainian troops that try to deceive the West over a Russian intervention in order to bring NATO into this, like Shaakashviuli tried in Georgia when he gave his many lies as an excuse for his demand why NATO should intervene on his behalf? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-28-14, 11:31 AM	#204
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Dave Cameron is ready to throw pots of money at them. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

02-28-14, 08:08 AM	#197
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	According to the BBC, a Russian frigate is patrolling the entrance to Balaklava.

02-28-14, 08:26 AM	#199
Flamebatter90 Medic Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 167 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I read somewhere that they (the guys at the airport) had armored vehicles as well. Looking at them, they certainly seem very organized.

02-28-14, 08:40 AM	#201
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Turns out the Frigate is actually a corvette... A Tarantul III class corvette, the Ivanovets.

02-28-14, 01:59 PM	#205
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,877 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I stand corrected, NATO are not going to do anything, if Russia intervene in Crimea-Just read it in a Danish newspaper. Markus

02-28-14, 02:41 PM	#207
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hard to decide which side to be on ... raised to hate what is evil and cling to what is good. Russia should have a say so in what a former country decides to do. The president of the Ukraine says he is still the president, but yet he is in hiding. Pro Russians galore and pro-freedom fighters asking for EU to bail them out. This problem needs more study than I have time to give it ... "please Mr Putin no more blood shed"

02-28-14, 03:01 PM	#209
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The trouble with the Ukraine is that there's good and bad on both sides. Lots of nationalism, fascism, racism, and corruption in the mix. It's an ugly combination, and I don't think it's going to get any better soon.