GER politics thread - Page 77

mapuc · 12-05-20, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is anyone making up the shortfall due to the lack UK contributions or are the slices of the cake to become thinner?

Denmark shall pay 6,7 bn Danish kroner more from 2021.
Each year Denmark have payed around 20 bn Danish kroner to EU.

Can't remember how much extra Sweden shall pay after 2021.

Markus

Skybird · 12-05-20, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is anyone making up the shortfall due to the lack UK contributions or are the slices of the cake to become thinner?

Guess!

EU budget wants to become bigger, Germany will pay much more, and the collectivsation of debts, as France always wanted becasue it benefits heavily from it, are finally being accepted by the stubborn Germans through the backdoor. Its just not allowed to call it by its name.

You got out just in time, I tell you.

Seen these ways, Corona was the best thing that could happen to France. They always wanted stronger centralisation i the eU so that politics can command business better, because they know that they will dominate Europe this way and the Germans will be to shy to try that, and they always wanted Germany to pay for it, last but not least via the private savings of citizens, and their old age pension schemes.

That way, m,ore debts can be build before the whole house pof cards collapses. Look at the leading personnel in brussel. Most of them now have affioliations to france, to Germany: almost nobody. Same was recently said about the cabinetmembers Biden forms up, its in parts more friendly to Europe, has roots in and ties to Europe: but Francophone Europe, not Germanic Europe.

We can thank Merkel for that.

People always target Germany for allegedly wanting to "dominate Europe". But Germany is expected to pay for the EU, but the control is to be seated in Paris. Its France people should watch out for. Germany always falls back sooner or later, if facing resitenc elong enough, it always wills to pay in the end, and it always prioritizes not to be seen as the ugly warmongering Nazigerman again. Other nations play on the German neurosis like a virtuoso on a fiddle.

Jimbuna · 12-05-20, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

You got out just in time, I tell you.

Oh definitely

Catfish · 12-05-20, 04:18 PM

mapuc · 12-05-20, 04:56 PM

^ Who is this ? What is he doing ? Where is he ?

Your picture made me think on our Who / What / Where Game.

Markus

Catfish · 12-05-20, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

1 ^ Who is this ? 2 What is he doing ? 3 Where is he ?
Your picture made me think on our Who / What / Where Game.
Markus

1 Who he is you will have to find out, but i can give hints

2 No one can tell you what he is doing
3 Number 10 plays a role

Jimbuna · 12-06-20, 12:43 PM

Get your fish and chips order in early before the price rises

Rockstar · 12-06-20, 01:11 PM

These are some very amusing articles from six years ago. How Putin is quite effectively dividing the E.U., backing far right parties in Europe. At the same time Putin, Schroeder and their old KGB buddies gets Germany to add even more fuel to these far right parties by alienating them as Germany conducts more business opportunities with their new preferred partner Putin.

Putin Is Infiltrating European Politics With Shocking Effectiveness
https://www.businessinsider.in/Putin...w/45438391.cms

Putin Waged A 'Special War' Long Before Crimea
https://www.businessinsider.com/john...-the-eu-2014-8

Catfish · 12-06-20, 01:25 PM

^ i agree, just not when you say that Putin infiltrates or did anything in secret. He even announced it all in two speeches, it is just no one was listening.
Backing the right wing is always a good way to divide a democratic country, you can see this best in the US and in England right now.

Rockstar · 12-06-20, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^ i agree, just not when you say that Putin infiltrates or did anything in secret. He even announced it all in two speeches, it is just no one was listening.
Backing the right wing is always a good way to divide a democratic country, you can see this best in the US and in England right now.

Best seen in the U.S. and England?

You have Merkel and Schroeder, their old east German KGB buddies opening business ties with Putin. Thereby alienating other states and further dividing a still fledgling European Union on a grand scale. I can assure you so called far right wings in this country are no where at causing the destruction as your Putin backed parties are. Whats even more astonishing is Merkel's German party of the people is through their own actions and nationalist make Germany first strategy are actively encouraging the destruction of the European Union.

Catfish · 12-07-20, 05:36 AM

A strong right wing tending to dictatorship will always threaten a democratic country, whoever backs the right-wing populists. No foreign power needed, though in this case we all know better. Russia tries to interfere everywhere, all are aware of it. So does the US.

Perfectly understandable to trade with countries close to one's own country. What sense does it make to import US soy beans or LPG gas over 4000 miles across the atlantic when no one in Europe needs or wants it?
Politics, or better to please the US alright. Apart from that?
Trade with the US with Trump at the whelm, who tries to cut all ties, cancel treaties, accusing all other countries of betraying HIM, how do you want to trade with a buffoon?

All need oil ok, and it is there in abundance, even without the US producing it. Why does the US squeeze out its last reserves with expensive fracking and polluting the environment, in this situation? Why does it sell Alaska to just of all chinese companies for exploration? For an outside observer it does not make sense.

Rockstar · 12-07-20, 12:59 PM

Strong right wing wackos threaten democracy?.

But who is it that backs these threats to democracy?

And who is it that deals with the backers of such a threats to democracy?

Rockstar · 12-09-20, 08:26 AM

Europe needs Britain in the EU to curb German dominance

Quote:

Berlin is brutal in crushing dissent. In 2011, when Italy’s elected prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, resisted the German line, Merkel orchestrated his removal and replacement by a technocrat.

https://capx.co/europe-needs-britain...man-dominance/

old article but still true

Skybird · 12-09-20, 08:52 AM

With the UK'S leave, the net receivers in the Euro zone have always a majority in the (rotating) director'S board of the ECB. Lagarde and her crew are strictly francophile socialists. The EU parliament tics far left. The Maastricht criteria have been illegally and silently abandoned completely. Germany has given up resistence to the socialisation of European states' debts. Berlin pays the by far biggets heap in the EU budget, and its proportional share will even grow with London'S leave.

And Greek and Italians have always called it German dominance when the country that finances and guarantees more of their debts than any other, called them to cut their deficits and cut their expenses, which is very reaosnable. They always wanted to get a free ride out of heir - self provoked - mismanagement crisis. We netto pay them, but we have no right to demand them to manage better and to cut their spendings shorter? Well, I am all for not paying them anymore at all!

German dominance? Exactly the opposite. I said it before: its France you have to watch out for. Finances in desastrous state. Claim for dominance, and centrlaism, tailored to suit French interests. And major parts of the EU bureaucracy and adminstration set up far francophile-leaning. Von der Leyen is just a puppet, she was accepted by Hungary and Pland only because one knew how weak a leader she would be. She was not even third choice for heading the commission. The wanted German candidate, Weber, was brought to fall by a French ploy since he was a threat to the Frenchs' plans. The german represenative in he ECB board, has been replaced with a toothless tiny figure of whom I have heard only twice since her appointance, and both times she supported the catastrophic ways of Gangsterlagarde.

German dominance. I can just laugh about that.

We are she stupids and the gold-$h!tting donkey of the others, and for that we even get attacked and offended at times. Without Berlin's cowardice and cheques, Paris could go and pack up its things regarding their plan to dominate Europe. They want to be much more than they could maintain and finance by their own means.

Not to be seen as ugly evil Nazigermans again is the top priority of German politics.

Not Germany. France you have to watch out for, both for their claims, and their desastrous budget. And when they stumble and fall, its over with the Euro.

BTW, Berlusconi was a monkey joke like Trump. No respect deserved at all. Wanting to get endlessly paid by other nations, his Italy's claim for debt reliefs was not difficult to get objcted to. Or do you hand over money to just ever beggar demanding it from you?

We give others the money which then they give us back to pay for goods the want to buy from us and that we have produced and designed so that they want to have them. Wouldn't it be easier we work and produce unpaid for free, and do not sell thigns but hand them to others gratis - and we skip the step with giving them money and getting it back as "payment"? Its an unneeded complication...

I also laugh about the argument that Germany gets back money from the EU. The point is we sent more money to brussels than we get back, so we are net payers, and by a far lead we are. I am all for refusing to get "gifts" from Brussel, and as compensation we send no money to Brussel in the first.

Catfish · 12-09-20, 09:51 AM

I indeed think about whether Germany would not be better off without the EU, i mean when you only consider economics..

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12-06-20, 01:11 PM	#1148
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,860 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	These are some very amusing articles from six years ago. How Putin is quite effectively dividing the E.U., backing far right parties in Europe. At the same time Putin, Schroeder and their old KGB buddies gets Germany to add even more fuel to these far right parties by alienating them as Germany conducts more business opportunities with their new preferred partner Putin. Putin Is Infiltrating European Politics With Shocking Effectiveness https://www.businessinsider.in/Putin...w/45438391.cms Putin Waged A 'Special War' Long Before Crimea https://www.businessinsider.com/john...-the-eu-2014-8 __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

12-06-20, 01:25 PM	#1149
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ i agree, just not when you say that Putin infiltrates or did anything in secret. He even announced it all in two speeches, it is just no one was listening. Backing the right wing is always a good way to divide a democratic country, you can see this best in the US and in England right now. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-07-20, 05:36 AM	#1151
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	A strong right wing tending to dictatorship will always threaten a democratic country, whoever backs the right-wing populists. No foreign power needed, though in this case we all know better. Russia tries to interfere everywhere, all are aware of it. So does the US. Perfectly understandable to trade with countries close to one's own country. What sense does it make to import US soy beans or LPG gas over 4000 miles across the atlantic when no one in Europe needs or wants it? Politics, or better to please the US alright. Apart from that? Trade with the US with Trump at the whelm, who tries to cut all ties, cancel treaties, accusing all other countries of betraying HIM, how do you want to trade with a buffoon? All need oil ok, and it is there in abundance, even without the US producing it. Why does the US squeeze out its last reserves with expensive fracking and polluting the environment, in this situation? Why does it sell Alaska to just of all chinese companies for exploration? For an outside observer it does not make sense. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-05-20, 04:56 PM	#1145
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,922 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ Who is this ? What is he doing ? Where is he ? Your picture made me think on our Who / What / Where Game. Markus

12-07-20, 12:59 PM	#1152
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,860 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Strong right wing wackos threaten democracy?. But who is it that backs these threats to democracy? And who is it that deals with the backers of such a threats to democracy? __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

12-09-20, 08:52 AM	#1154
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,536 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	With the UK'S leave, the net receivers in the Euro zone have always a majority in the (rotating) director'S board of the ECB. Lagarde and her crew are strictly francophile socialists. The EU parliament tics far left. The Maastricht criteria have been illegally and silently abandoned completely. Germany has given up resistence to the socialisation of European states' debts. Berlin pays the by far biggets heap in the EU budget, and its proportional share will even grow with London'S leave. And Greek and Italians have always called it German dominance when the country that finances and guarantees more of their debts than any other, called them to cut their deficits and cut their expenses, which is very reaosnable. They always wanted to get a free ride out of heir - self provoked - mismanagement crisis. We netto pay them, but we have no right to demand them to manage better and to cut their spendings shorter? Well, I am all for not paying them anymore at all! German dominance? Exactly the opposite. I said it before: its France you have to watch out for. Finances in desastrous state. Claim for dominance, and centrlaism, tailored to suit French interests. And major parts of the EU bureaucracy and adminstration set up far francophile-leaning. Von der Leyen is just a puppet, she was accepted by Hungary and Pland only because one knew how weak a leader she would be. She was not even third choice for heading the commission. The wanted German candidate, Weber, was brought to fall by a French ploy since he was a threat to the Frenchs' plans. The german represenative in he ECB board, has been replaced with a toothless tiny figure of whom I have heard only twice since her appointance, and both times she supported the catastrophic ways of Gangsterlagarde. German dominance. I can just laugh about that. We are she stupids and the gold-$h!tting donkey of the others, and for that we even get attacked and offended at times. Without Berlin's cowardice and cheques, Paris could go and pack up its things regarding their plan to dominate Europe. They want to be much more than they could maintain and finance by their own means. Not to be seen as ugly evil Nazigermans again is the top priority of German politics. Not Germany. France you have to watch out for, both for their claims, and their desastrous budget. And when they stumble and fall, its over with the Euro. BTW, Berlusconi was a monkey joke like Trump. No respect deserved at all. Wanting to get endlessly paid by other nations, his Italy's claim for debt reliefs was not difficult to get objcted to. Or do you hand over money to just ever beggar demanding it from you? We give others the money which then they give us back to pay for goods the want to buy from us and that we have produced and designed so that they want to have them. Wouldn't it be easier we work and produce unpaid for free, and do not sell thigns but hand them to others gratis - and we skip the step with giving them money and getting it back as "payment"? Its an unneeded complication... I also laugh about the argument that Germany gets back money from the EU. The point is we sent more money to brussels than we get back, so we are net payers, and by a far lead we are. I am all for refusing to get "gifts" from Brussel, and as compensation we send no money to Brussel in the first. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 12-09-20 at 02:54 PM.

12-09-20, 09:51 AM	#1155
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I indeed think about whether Germany would not be better off without the EU, i mean when you only consider economics.. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.