Here we go again-Ukraine once again

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Originally Posted by Skybird

That Severodonezk was lost, was clear since quite some time now. But the defenders delayed the victory for the attackers, and pushed the price upward, which was probably the purpose of the stubborness to not admit defeat earlier. Its more a tactical withdrawel, imo: pull back now so that they can continue to fight on another day.

We now need to give the HIMARS and PZH2000 some time, to see whether they indeed can make the difference that everybody seems to attribute to these systems despite their small quantities. Russian artillery superiority is overwhelming.

Russian artillery superiority is overwhelming, but it did not cause quick results that the Russians wanted/thought the tactical withdrawal is to the next city to defend to cause more loses for the Russians all giving Ukraine army time to send new material to the front with the new kind of weapons Ukraine can cause more damage to the Russians.

[Jimbuna]

Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda believes that the government should immediately start consultations with the European Commission on the implementation of sanctions on Kaliningrad transit.

According to Censor.NET with reference to "European Truth", Nauseda wrote about it on his Facebook page, returning from Brussels.

"The government must immediately start consultations with the European Commission so that the imposed sanctions do not harm either Lithuania's interests or international agreements. Only by working together will we make the sanctions against the aggressor country painful," Nauseda said.

He stressed that on Thursday he discussed the issue of transit with the President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen and noted that Lithuania will not make concessions to Russia. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3350192

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The mayor of the Ukrainian city of Severodonetsk says the city is completely in the hands of the Russians. This is what the fledging mayor Stryuk says on Ukrainian television. According to the mayor, people who are still in Severodonetsk cannot just leave. They can only go to areas under the control of Russia. It is believed that about 10,000 people are still in the city, which previously had a population of 100,000.

[mapuc]

Ukraine will do the same as Croatia did just after the civil war

Markus

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Major Крот Владимир Николаевич (Krot Vladimir Nikolaevich) 59 year, Su-25 pilot, died in the air crash on June 21 near Mankovo-Kalitvenskoe, Rostov. In 1998, he finished his flying career. After the start of the war, he decided to return to active service. https://vk.com/wall-146757891_22577

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Originally Posted by Skybird

That Severodonezk was lost, was clear since quite some time now. But the defenders delayed the victory for the attackers, and pushed the price upward, which was probably the purpose of the stubborness to not admit defeat earlier. Its more a tactical withdrawel, imo: pull back now so that they can continue to fight on another day.

We now need to give the HIMARS and PZH2000 some time, to see whether they indeed can make the difference that everybody seems to attribute to these systems despite their small quantities. Russian artillery superiority is overwhelming.

Ukrainian forces have reportedly struck and destroyed another Russian ammunition depot in occupied Luhansk. Successful attacks far behind the front lines have become increasingly common as Ukraine has acquired more long-range artillery from the country’s international partners

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The Russian ambassador agreed when Khalilzad said “we need an agreement” to end the war between Ukraine and Russia. When discussing the prospect of a peace deal, Antonov asked Khalilzad, “What would [the U.S.] like us to give up?” Khalilzad suggested that Antonov have dinner with the Ukrainian ambassador. In an apparent reference to Russia’s false claims that neo-Nazis are running Ukraine, Antonov asked Khalilzad: “You have a lot of Jewish guys in the United States. Why are they so tolerant of what’s happening in Kyiv?” https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...lunch-00042228

[mapuc]

51°58′N 29°9′E
Air Forces command: Over 50 missiles were launched last night into Ukraine, including Iskander missiles launched from Belarus

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In the diplomatic power play between NATO aspirants Sweden and Finland on one side and Turkey on the other, the Kurds are at the center. Sweden in particular, according to Turkish President Erdoğan, is a hiding place for supporters of the PKK, which Sweden, the EU and the U.S. consider a terrorist organization. Stockholm's attempts to reassure Ankara are leading to growing unrest among the Kurdish community in Sweden. Some fear being extradited to Turkey.

"Am I also on Turkish President Erdoğan's extradition list?" Writer Kurdo Baksi is often called with this question since the conflict with Turkey. He has lived in Sweden for over 40 years and is seen as a mouthpiece for the Kurds in the country. "There are two lists going around here in Sweden and that makes it confusing," he says. The lists, which are shared within the Kurdish community but have not been officially released, include several names, but only one has been confirmed to be people Turkey wants to be extradited. "I try to reassure Kurds by telling them that they cannot just be deported if they have been granted asylum here, because the Swedish government is not in charge of asylum applications, but the immigration service." Baksi gets calls from both Kurdish refugees who have lived in Sweden for some time and Erdoğan-critical Turks who fled to Sweden after the failed coup in 2016. "These are often journalists and publishers, who have a temporary residence permit here," he says.

"You know for sure that you are on the list when the Swedish security service Säpo contacts you," says Turkish investigative journalist Levent Kenez, who fled in 2016 and was granted asylum in Sweden. The service visited Kenez, telling him that Turkey is demanding his extradition. But the Swedish Supreme Court declared that extradition invalid in December last year. He therefore does not fear extradition, even though he only has a temporary residence permit. Violence from fanatical Erdoğan supporters in Sweden, he and his colleagues, see as a greater risk. For example, a colleague, Turkish journalist Ahmet Dönmez, was severely beaten in a Stockholm suburb in March this year in front of his 6-year-old daughter.

Sweden and Finland are still hoping for a quick and smooth NATO process, which should see both countries officially welcomed at the summit next week in Madrid. But the chances of that happening have become uncertain because of Turkey's demands. According to Erdoğan, Sweden offers asylum to refugees with ties to the Kurdish PKK. Swedish Prime Minister Andersson emphasizes time and again that Sweden considers the PKK a terrorist organization and that this is not a new policy. For example, in 1984 Sweden was the first country, after Turkey, to put the PKK on the terror list. The European Union followed suit in 2002. At the same time, Kurdish demonstrations are allowed in Sweden. These are a thorn in Turkey's side. The conflict also revolves around Swedish ties with Kurdish groups in northern Syria, including the Kurdish militia YPG. This is seen by Turkey as an extension of the PKK. But Sweden, like the United States, supports the group in its fight against terrorist organization Islamic State. In addition, the group guards prisons where Swedish IS fighters are held.

Independent parliamentarian Amineh Kakabaveh, of Iranian-Kurdish descent, even had the Swedish government put it in black and white late last year that ties with Kurdish groups in Syria are being strengthened. Finally, Erdoğan is demanding that Finland and Sweden drop the arms embargo against Turkey. That ban was imposed by the two countries after Turkey began military action against Kurdish fighters in northern Syria in 2019. Sweden is struggling with Ankara's stance. The government is trying to emphasize that it understands Turkish concerns, but at the same time does not want to affect the principles of the Swedish rule of law. In addition, it is a political balancing act for the Andersson government. The Social Democratic Party enjoys great support among the Kurdish community. Bending along in exchange for Turkish support could therefore affect the parliamentary elections in September. "Many Kurds in Sweden are worried about what consequences this Swedish strategy will have" according to Besir Kavak, who works for Kurdish Radio in Stockholm. "According to some Kurds here, the Swedish government is no longer able to criticize Turkey and raise human rights violations as it used to."

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Originally Posted by mapuc

51°58′N 29°9′E
Air Forces command: Over 50 missiles were launched last night into Ukraine, including Iskander missiles launched from Belarus

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At a meeting with Lukashenko, Putin promised to transfer Iskander-M missile systems to Belarus "In next few months we will transfer Iskander-M missile systems to Belarus which can use both ballistic and cruise missiles and both in ordinary and nuclear versions," said Putin.

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...anuary-11-2022

https://www.understandingwar.org/sit...ber%202021.pdf

These are ballistic missiles fired from a truck can cover distances of up to 500 kilometers and be equipped with a conventional or nuclear warhead. Each truck can carry two. President Putin made the promise at a televised meeting with Belarusian President Lukashenko. Lukashenko said his country feels threatened by Poland and Lithuania. "They are bent on a confrontation. You can feel that, especially in Ukraine. We know that most of the mercenaries there are from Poland." He also pointed to Lithuania's blocking of goods destined for the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad. "That is something like a declaration of war. It is unacceptable." Lukashenko asked Putin if Russia wants to make Belarusian fighter jets nuclear-capable. Putin said he sees no reason for that, but that the Belarusian Su-25s could be updated in Russia if necessary.

[mapuc]

Will never happen or not in the next couple of years.

Someone said he had seen in the news that Ukrainian fighter pilot want fighter jet from the West F-15 and/or F-16.

Can't remember which one of you who wrote-Flying a MIG is one thing taking the step to F-15/16 is huge and will take years to learn.

Secondly I think it would mean crossing some line.

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Will never happen or not in the next couple of years.

Someone said he had seen in the news that Ukrainian fighter pilot want fighter jet from the West F-15 and/or F-16.

Can't remember which one of you who wrote-Flying a MIG is one thing taking the step to F-15/16 is huge and will take years to learn.

Secondly I think it would mean crossing some line.

Markus

It is not that Russia has air superiority, they avoid Ukraine air force and fear AA systems would take too long to train NATO jets better give them more long range artillery systems those are more useful in this stage of the battle.

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Who is Who?

What comes next? Putin reappearing like Peter the Great?

[mapuc]

So this man Lukashenko has said Lithuania has declared Russia war due to this blockade.

No I do not take this serious in any way.

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Did not see Dargo mention it before I wrote this ^ comment.

I have never seen so many flares during one evening in the war over Sloviansk-They keep on coming
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Originally Posted by mapuc

So this man Lukashenko has said Lithuania has declared Russia war due to this blockade.

No I do not take this serious in any way.

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Did not see Dargo mention it before I wrote this ^ comment.

I have never seen so many flares during one evening in the war over Sloviansk-They keep on coming
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Lukashenko practice more stupid than Putin do not worry... https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/25/7354646/