UK Politics Thread

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have a Prime Directive I must follow.

So saying how the politicians in UK should run their shop is forbidden.

I can predict/try to predict

The question is will Scotland accept their share of UK's debt, if the Parliament agree on letting Scotland have their second referendum ?

Next question is:
If Scotlands EU's membership is a failure-Will the rest of UK let them come back into the union ?

Markus

1. In theory, yes. How much of said debt would be subject to negotiation and would be a substantial sticking point - define "Fair Share"? Based on population, GDP, taxation, public spending etc, etc? IIRC when what is now the Republic of Ireland gained independence after WW1 it's share of the UK's national debt at the time was something in the order of 80-90% of it's own GDP.

My own view on such a hypothetical is this: Yes I expect Scotland will take it's fair share of the debts, BUT it'll do so only if it also gains a proportional share of the assets needed to service that debt. That means the gold reserves and gilts amongst others.

2. Doubt it. Even if it were possible the terms of any new Union with England would be so unacceptable to the Scottish Elites that it would be a non-starter. For the same reason the RoI will never re-join the UK.

Either way, hopefully it shouldn't come to that.

Mike.

[Moonlight]

The more I hear about this Priti Useless Home Secretary the more I disbelieve her, she dances to the medias tune and the reporters, journalists, thicktards "oh I like that word" write it down in there comics as bleeding gospel. "The goddess has spoken, deport the scum" are the usual headlines and the strange thing about it is, they'll probably still be here come the next decade. All mouth and no action, it's been the same bloody nonsense from all Home secretaries for bleeding decades.

PRITI'S FIGHT Priti Patel pledges to deport Rochdale sex-ring monsters who abused girls as young as 13
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/145650...ring-monsters/

The sad thing about all this is, we have an opposition party who are hell bent on giving Plastic British citizenship to all and sundry whether they are criminals or illegal immigrants and that is what their voter base does not want, the elites of this party are out of touch with their voters and the Hartlepool by-election might just be the punch in the mouth they need to wake them up. It's up in the air for now, but I remember my folklore and Hartlepool is where they supposedly hung a bleeding monkey for being a French spy, so anything could happen there, we shall know soon enough.

[Catfish]

^ all those bloody raping foreigner monsters, i wonder how the english have survived after all those centuries in all those foreign countries?

[Catfish]

More than 420,000 Irish passports issued in Britain
Now that's an idea

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1826580.html

[Moonlight]

What a pointless bloody article you've posted Catfish, even a German citizen should be able to see the irrelevance of it.

They're probably just another set of remainer dickheads making another meaningless statement, this country is overrun by the bleeding currants, what would be more interesting to know is how many of them have actually pissed off to Ireland?.
I would say none as these muppets know which side of their bread is buttered and it probably isn't Irish butter they're using either.

[Jimbuna]

LABOUR'S hard left were sharpening their knives for Sir Keir Starmer after a shock poll predicts they will lose the upcoming Hartlepool by-election.

The survey commissioned by the leftie Communication Workers Union shows the Tory party on course for a win with 49 per cent of the vote - a bump of 20 points.

The above is from The Sun so it must be true

[Moonlight]

^Paul Routledge a journalist at the left wing comic "The Mirror" and also a member and supporter of the Labour Party recognises that fact too.

'Labour losing Hartlepool after 62 years a heavy but unsurprising blow for Keir Starmer'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...er-62-23865620

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

What a pointless bloody article you've posted Catfish, even a German citizen should be able to see the irrelevance of it.
[...].

The irrevelance of freedom of travel, open borders and Ireland's general reaction to brexit; that England and especially its government in Westminster sees all this as irrelevant is nothing new indeed.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...xit-isn-t-done

https://www.politico.eu/article/nort...lashes-police/

[Skybird]

Humanistic value order, freedom to travel, free trade - all that could be had without a topping of bureaucracy, centralism and ambition to be a full blown-up super state with a poltically run economy and deletion of self-repsonsibility, that also reserves the right to delete people's way to feel about their historically grown identities and construct the new and uniform homo servilis as the ideal of modern socialist citizenship.

For none of your ideas it needs the EU, Catfish. For none. I agree with your ideas. Thats why I want the EU being destroyed. It stands in the way, manifestating right the oppposite of what it claims it wants to represent. And different to you I see njo chance of reformsing it could ever have a chance of success.

When an ugly, shaking, dysfunctional building blocks the space and nothign can be doine with it anymore, tear it down and shuttle the debris away. Then build a better house in the now free space. Just do not commission the same architect again, that would be extrenely stupid a thing to do.

And do not forcer together what does not fit together. And have nobody ever being expected to load the other's burden on his own shoulders. Have everybody carrying his own weight. Limitations teach modesty. From modesty comes better management. Thats a death sentence for the EU as of today.

[Jimbuna]

New poll puts SNP on course for majority in Scottish election with Alba Party unlikely to win single seat.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...n-single-seat/

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Humanistic value order, freedom to travel, free trade - all that could be had without a topping of bureaucracy, centralism and ambition [...]

Tell this to the UK?



You know how much bureaucrats the UK has, compared to the EU?

Also:
"The Commission is important, but doesn’t run the EU..
Claims that the EU is run by the European Commission, or that the Commission is the government of Europe, aren’t correct.
They exaggerate the power of the Commission, and understate the role of other institutions, which it’s generally correct to say debate, amend and pass EU laws.
They also ignore the influence of the EU’s member countries.

This may be because the European Union is a political system that borrows from many places without taking any one in particular as a model."

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts...s-bureaucrats/

Your opinion about a "socialist" (what?) superstate once again, and that nationalists and brexiters will certainly applaud you does not necessarily mean it is true, on the contrary.

All this has not much to do with the problems in Ireland, and how all try to ignore them. But thank god it is not a EU-made problem. Mr Murdoch might disagree, but.. screw him.

[Jimbuna]

"The Commission is important, but doesn’t run the EU..
Claims that the EU is run by the European Commission, or that the Commission is the government of Europe, aren’t correct.
They exaggerate the power of the Commission, and understate the role of other institutions, which it’s generally correct to say debate, amend and pass EU laws.
They also ignore the influence of the EU’s member countries.

My response to the above would suffice with three words....Germany and France

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Tell this to the UK?



You know how much bureaucrats the UK has, compared to the EU?

Also:
"The Commission is important, but doesn’t run the EU..
Claims that the EU is run by the European Commission, or that the Commission is the government of Europe, aren’t correct.
They exaggerate the power of the Commission, and understate the role of other institutions, which it’s generally correct to say debate, amend and pass EU laws.
They also ignore the influence of the EU’s member countries.

This may be because the European Union is a political system that borrows from many places without taking any one in particular as a model."

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts...s-bureaucrats/

Your opinion about a "socialist" (what?) superstate once again, and that nationalists and brexiters will certainly applaud you does not necessarily mean it is true, on the contrary.

All this has not much to do with the problems in Ireland, and how all try to ignore them. But thank god it is not a EU-made problem. Mr Murdoch might disagree, but.. screw him.

I think you very naively believe in that what the EU opportunistically describes itself as, necessarily is true.
But that are claims of an old rhetorical pattern that is used by the "People's" Republic of China or the German "Democratic" Republic as well. Those countries are/were neither the people's republic (but a party's), nor was it a democratic country.
The people of the European states have no awareness and no control ove rthe many backroom deals the EU decision makers do. They cannot evej vote to get rid of kley perosnnel that is being decided on not by the voters, and not by transparent and democratically legitimising procedures. The key personnel maintains itself, is a closed society, the members of which provide each other with alibis. Aristocracy. You knowm that kind of ariostiocracy that was finally smashed into the ground by the French revolution, which came at costs by itself.

You believe in the ink on paper. I don't, and would never - not even when i have a real bad, messy day.

The Irish problem, to which i also have no other solution than to suggest that it is the Irish people'S duty to come to terms with each other and nobody else's, since it is their country and place and lives, and nobody else's, indeed is one of the main reasons why I always have been against any form or Brexit treaty between the UK and the EU.


I stick to it: the EU and "Europe" are mutually exclusive. The more of the one, the less of the other, and vice versa.

[Catfish]

Yes, it all must be a conspiracy of the "EU". The great reset and all that.

Ireland, it is a complicated situation, the Republic, Northern Ireland, religion, the unionists, the royalists, terrorism, the fissures are going all through the society.

by Skybird: "The Irish problem, to which i also have no other solution than to suggest that it is the Irish people's duty to come to terms with each other and nobody else's, since it is their country and place and lives, and nobody else's, indeed is one of the main reasons why I always have been against any form or Brexit treaty between the UK and the EU." [...

"The irish people" would probably like to decide for themselves (and all of them), but you see that last decades and centuries they never were allowed to, and they are still scared for good reason. They have tried to come to terms with each other, with terrible results sometimes perpetrated on them from outside.

I do not think that the average english citizen has a personal grudge against "the Irish", or all irish have one against "the english" (though still a father or relative of either side may have been killed in the "troubles" and not all are neutral), but politicians, strategy and military have a definite stance on the situation.
The outsider's view of what i hear and read is that Westminster does not care much about "the irish" idea of sovereignty and control.

[MGR1]

All campaigning for the devolved elections in Scotland and Wales as well as those for the English local elections in May have been suspended as a mark of respect for HRH Prince Philip.

Mike.