The CHN/ China thread - Page 24

ET2SN · 09-25-22, 03:04 PM

Isn't the CCP gearing up for another (normal) party congress, or whatever they call it? That actually makes the timing for this rumor look poor.

Maybe some in-fighting and jostling in the lower ranks of the party?

Agreed, this is probably anti-Xi propaganda. I used to check out some of the "viral" Indian "news" feeds and it became a waste of time.

Jimbuna · 09-27-22, 04:12 AM

China in grip of debunked coup rumours as Xi Jinping house arrest reports grow with all eyes on General Li Qiaoming

Social media across China and the rest of Asia continues to be in overdrive today as persistent rumours that president Xi Jinping has been removed in a coup refuse to die down.

Local and regional media speculate China’s long-standing leader was removed when he was away in Samarkand while attending the recent SCO summit, on 14 September.

Xi Jinping has reportedly not been seen in public since then although any rumours have been widely debunked in the last 24 hours.

Nevertheless, according to various reports in half a dozen Asian countries today, including India and Singapore, there are unconfirmed reports Xi Jinping has been placed under house arrest and is being replaced by the powerful army general Li Qiaoming.

Li Qiaoming, who is among the most senior officials of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA), has served as commander of the Northern Theater Command since September 2017.

When approached by City A.M. this afternoon local time in Beijing, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs refused to comment.

Despite the rumours circling for days, the Chinese government has remained silent and the country’s state broadcaster not aired any denial or response. However, rumours have been widely debunked.

Most noticeably, Xi did not appear in New York City last week to attend the annual General Assembly meeting while no reason was given for his absence.

US President Joe Biden spoke on Wednesday and most world leaders did make an appearance.

Instead, the Chinese government sent the country’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, who opted to shift the focus to Taiwan, telling world leaders that anyone who gets in the way of its determination to reunify with the self-governing island would be “crushed by the wheels of history”.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7b6fb5c4e1cced

Skybird · 10-06-22, 11:09 AM

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:
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A defeat for the West: In the UN Human Rights Council, Beijing's friends prevent a debate on the Xinjiang report. Even Kiev is behaving differently than the West expected.

It was clear from the start that this vote would be symbolic. It would show how great China's influence is in the bodies of the United Nations. On Thursday afternoon it was clear: Beijing has enough power to prevent even a debate on the human rights violations in Xinjiang. The United States and nine other countries had deliberately introduced a conspicuously neutral draft resolution. It simply said that the Human Rights Council "notes with interest" the report by former High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet on the human rights situation in Xinjiang and decides to hold a debate on it at its next Council session in February.

Seventeen countries voted in favour, 19 countries against. Eleven countries abstained. It would have been enough to get more votes in favour than against. When the result was announced, the representatives of China and its supporters clapped. The chair of the meeting called them to order in the name of the "dignity" of the Council.

Fearing such a symbolic defeat, Western countries had always avoided putting a draft resolution on China to a vote until now. Instead, they had issued joint statements that countries could join by signature. However, after the publication of the Bachelet report at the end of August, some countries felt the need to seize the momentum and risk defeat. Bachelet had published the report at the end of August just minutes before she left office. It said "serious human rights violations" were being committed in Xinjiang that "could constitute crimes against humanity".

The United States introduced the draft resolution together with Great Britain, the Scandinavian countries, Australia, Lithuania, Canada, Iceland and Denmark. Germany had not joined the group, probably because it wanted to focus more on a resolution to appoint a special rapporteur on the human rights situation in Russia, which will be voted on this Friday. Presumably, there was also the concern that fewer countries might be willing to vote against China and Russia at the same time or abstain.

China had pulled out all the stops in advance. Whole groups of diplomats had pressed the representatives of undecided countries in Geneva. Some countries reported numerous calls to their capitals. Concerns that China might cut back on promised investments in the countries might have played a role in their voting behaviour. A spokesperson for the Xinjiang government had earlier threatened "countermeasures" in Geneva. "We are ready for the fight," he had said.

Until late Wednesday evening, supporters of the draft resolution had been canvassing for approval. Until the very end, it was open how the vote would turn out. Ukraine, which the Western countries had presumably hoped would vote in favour, abstained. Beijing, for its part, is likely to be particularly miffed by Japan's repeated expression of "deep concern about the human rights situation in Xinjiang" during the session. In addition to China's usual supporters such as Pakistan, Venezuela, Eritrea and Cuba, Indonesia also voted against the resolution. Jakarta explained that it did not turn a blind eye to human rights violations against Muslims, but did not expect any progress for the situation of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang from the initiative.

Hopes for the appointment of a special rapporteur on Xinjiang are thus likely to be off the table for the time being. The new High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Austrian Volker Türk, could decide in his own right to present the Bachelet report at the next session of the Human Rights Council next year.

In its reactions to the report, which China called "perverse" among other things, it has not yet attempted to refute individual contents. This could be due to the fact that the report is largely based on documents from the Chinese government. This was also pointed out by the American Ambassador for Human Rights in Geneva, Michèle Taylor. China's supporters, meanwhile, made the same arguments as Beijing itself, sometimes verbatim.
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Skybird · 10-11-22, 07:02 AM

Elon Musk shows his profound naivety again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63196452

Jimbuna · 10-11-22, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Mr Musk's comments come as the electric car maker hit a monthly record for sales in China.

Jimbuna · 10-13-22, 04:46 AM

Quote:

In September this year a retired tech billionaire in Taipei, white-haired and bespectacled, called the island's media to a press conference to tell them he was pledging one billion Taiwan dollars (£28m; $32m) to create a civilian army..........

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63196623

Jimbuna · 10-18-22, 05:56 AM

Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says

Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed.

Up to 30 former UK military pilots are thought to have gone to train members of China's People's Liberation Army.

The UK is issuing an intelligence alert to warn former military pilots against working for the Chinese military.

Attempts to headhunt pilots are ongoing and had been ramping up recently, western officials say.

A spokesperson from the Ministry of Defence said the training and the recruiting of pilots does not breach any current UK law but officials in the UK and other countries are trying to deter the activity.

"It is a lucrative package that is being offered to people," said one western official. "Money is a strong motivator." Some of the packages are thought to be as much as £237,911 ($270,000).

The retired British pilots are being used to help understand the way in which Western planes and pilots operate, information which could be vital in the event of any conflict, such as over Taiwan.

"They are a very attractive body of people to then pass on that knowledge," a Western official said. "It's taking Western pilots of great experience to help develop Chinese military air force tactics and capabilities."

The UK first became aware of a small number of cases of former military pilots being recruited in 2019 which were dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The Covid-19 pandemic slowed attempts down, when travel to China was almost impossible but the attempts have now increased, leading to this alert.

"We've seen it ramp up significantly," a western official said in a briefing to journalists. "It is an ongoing issue." Current serving personnel are being targeted but none are thought to have accepted.

The pilots have experience on fast jets and helicopters and come from across the military and not just the Royal Air Force. They have flown Typhoons, Jaguars, Harriers and Tornados.

F-35 pilots are not thought to be involved although China is thought to be interested in them. Some of the pilots are in their late 50s and left the military some time ago. Pilots of other allied nations have also been targeted.

Officials said they are being recruited through intermediary head-hunters and cited a particular flying academy based in South Africa as being involved.

There is no evidence that any pilots have broken the Official Secrets Act or that they have committed any crime. The aim of the alert is to try and deter activity and inform current staff and industry partners and also remind personnel of their obligations to protect sensitive information.

"We are taking decisive steps to stop Chinese recruitment schemes attempting to headhunt serving and former UK Armed Forces pilots to train People's Liberation Army personnel in the People's Republic of China," an MoD spokesperson said.

"All serving and former personnel are already subject to the Official Secrets Act, and we are reviewing the use of confidentiality contracts and non-disclosure agreements across Defence, while the new National Security Bill will create additional tools to tackle contemporary security challenges - including this one."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63293582

mapuc · 10-22-22, 04:36 PM

As one wrote in the comment-
"Yeah, when you're unexpectedly escorted out of the governing committee of a totalitarian state, it's usually not a good sign for your future well-being."

Quote:

Hu Jintao, the former Chinese leader, was unexpectedly escorted out of the Communist Party congress without explanation. He appeared to pause to speak to President Xi Jinping before leaving

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1583872847977381889

Markus

ET2SN · 10-23-22, 01:44 AM

Jimbuna · 10-23-22, 06:37 AM

Skybird · 10-23-22, 06:58 AM

How the images resemble each other.

China:

The "Mensch-Maschine":

Skybird · 10-23-22, 12:13 PM

From now on its also formally no more "People's Republic of China", but "One Man's Empire Xina".

Jimbuna · 10-23-22, 01:05 PM

China's leader Xi Jinping has moved into a historic third term in power, as he revealed a new leadership team stacked with loyalists.

On Sunday the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) unveiled its Politburo Standing Committee, with Mr Xi re-elected as general secretary.

Observers say the line-up, handpicked by Mr Xi, shows he prizes loyalty over expertise and experience.

The unveiling came after a week-long party congress in the capital.

More than 2,300 delegates elected various leadership groups and gave Mr Xi a new mandate over the party, in a break from decades-long tradition.

No other party leader besides CCP founder Mao Zedong has ever served a third term.

Leaders of China's allies - Russia's Vladimir Putin and North Korea's Kim Jong-un - were among the first to send their congratulations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-63362548

Reece · 10-23-22, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Leaders of China's allies - Russia's Vladimir Putin and North Korea's Kim Jong-un - were among the first to send their congratulations.

Probably the only ones!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

How the images resemble each other.

The "Mensch-Maschine":

Kraftwerk!! I have the album Man Machine, loved the early moog stuff!!

Jimbuna · 10-24-22, 05:07 AM

The Chinese Communist Party's congress concluded on Sunday with the set-piece confirmation of Xi Jinping's historic third five-year term in charge.

The spotlight was also on the man named as his new second-in-command, Li Qiang.

A loyalist to Mr Xi, he is now on track to become Premier and tasked with managing the world's second largest economy.

Meanwhile, on Monday, China released a set of economic figures which had been postponed from the previous week.

China's economy faces a number of challenges at home and abroad - including Beijing's zero-Covid policies and the trade conflict with the US.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63296229

09-27-22, 04:12 AM	#347
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	China in grip of debunked coup rumours as Xi Jinping house arrest reports grow with all eyes on General Li Qiaoming Social media across China and the rest of Asia continues to be in overdrive today as persistent rumours that president Xi Jinping has been removed in a coup refuse to die down. Local and regional media speculate China’s long-standing leader was removed when he was away in Samarkand while attending the recent SCO summit, on 14 September. Xi Jinping has reportedly not been seen in public since then although any rumours have been widely debunked in the last 24 hours. Nevertheless, according to various reports in half a dozen Asian countries today, including India and Singapore, there are unconfirmed reports Xi Jinping has been placed under house arrest and is being replaced by the powerful army general Li Qiaoming. Li Qiaoming, who is among the most senior officials of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA), has served as commander of the Northern Theater Command since September 2017. When approached by City A.M. this afternoon local time in Beijing, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs refused to comment. Despite the rumours circling for days, the Chinese government has remained silent and the country’s state broadcaster not aired any denial or response. However, rumours have been widely debunked. Most noticeably, Xi did not appear in New York City last week to attend the annual General Assembly meeting while no reason was given for his absence. US President Joe Biden spoke on Wednesday and most world leaders did make an appearance. Instead, the Chinese government sent the country’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, who opted to shift the focus to Taiwan, telling world leaders that anyone who gets in the way of its determination to reunify with the self-governing island would be “crushed by the wheels of history”. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7b6fb5c4e1cced __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

10-06-22, 11:09 AM	#348
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes: ----------------------------------------- A defeat for the West: In the UN Human Rights Council, Beijing's friends prevent a debate on the Xinjiang report. Even Kiev is behaving differently than the West expected. It was clear from the start that this vote would be symbolic. It would show how great China's influence is in the bodies of the United Nations. On Thursday afternoon it was clear: Beijing has enough power to prevent even a debate on the human rights violations in Xinjiang. The United States and nine other countries had deliberately introduced a conspicuously neutral draft resolution. It simply said that the Human Rights Council "notes with interest" the report by former High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet on the human rights situation in Xinjiang and decides to hold a debate on it at its next Council session in February. Seventeen countries voted in favour, 19 countries against. Eleven countries abstained. It would have been enough to get more votes in favour than against. When the result was announced, the representatives of China and its supporters clapped. The chair of the meeting called them to order in the name of the "dignity" of the Council. Fearing such a symbolic defeat, Western countries had always avoided putting a draft resolution on China to a vote until now. Instead, they had issued joint statements that countries could join by signature. However, after the publication of the Bachelet report at the end of August, some countries felt the need to seize the momentum and risk defeat. Bachelet had published the report at the end of August just minutes before she left office. It said "serious human rights violations" were being committed in Xinjiang that "could constitute crimes against humanity". The United States introduced the draft resolution together with Great Britain, the Scandinavian countries, Australia, Lithuania, Canada, Iceland and Denmark. Germany had not joined the group, probably because it wanted to focus more on a resolution to appoint a special rapporteur on the human rights situation in Russia, which will be voted on this Friday. Presumably, there was also the concern that fewer countries might be willing to vote against China and Russia at the same time or abstain. China had pulled out all the stops in advance. Whole groups of diplomats had pressed the representatives of undecided countries in Geneva. Some countries reported numerous calls to their capitals. Concerns that China might cut back on promised investments in the countries might have played a role in their voting behaviour. A spokesperson for the Xinjiang government had earlier threatened "countermeasures" in Geneva. "We are ready for the fight," he had said. Until late Wednesday evening, supporters of the draft resolution had been canvassing for approval. Until the very end, it was open how the vote would turn out. Ukraine, which the Western countries had presumably hoped would vote in favour, abstained. Beijing, for its part, is likely to be particularly miffed by Japan's repeated expression of "deep concern about the human rights situation in Xinjiang" during the session. In addition to China's usual supporters such as Pakistan, Venezuela, Eritrea and Cuba, Indonesia also voted against the resolution. Jakarta explained that it did not turn a blind eye to human rights violations against Muslims, but did not expect any progress for the situation of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang from the initiative. Hopes for the appointment of a special rapporteur on Xinjiang are thus likely to be off the table for the time being. The new High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Austrian Volker Türk, could decide in his own right to present the Bachelet report at the next session of the Human Rights Council next year. In its reactions to the report, which China called "perverse" among other things, it has not yet attempted to refute individual contents. This could be due to the fact that the report is largely based on documents from the Chinese government. This was also pointed out by the American Ambassador for Human Rights in Geneva, Michèle Taylor. China's supporters, meanwhile, made the same arguments as Beijing itself, sometimes verbatim. ---------------------------------------------------- __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-11-22, 07:02 AM	#349
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Elon Musk shows his profound naivety again. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63196452 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-18-22, 05:56 AM	#352
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed. Up to 30 former UK military pilots are thought to have gone to train members of China's People's Liberation Army. The UK is issuing an intelligence alert to warn former military pilots against working for the Chinese military. Attempts to headhunt pilots are ongoing and had been ramping up recently, western officials say. A spokesperson from the Ministry of Defence said the training and the recruiting of pilots does not breach any current UK law but officials in the UK and other countries are trying to deter the activity. "It is a lucrative package that is being offered to people," said one western official. "Money is a strong motivator." Some of the packages are thought to be as much as £237,911 ($270,000). The retired British pilots are being used to help understand the way in which Western planes and pilots operate, information which could be vital in the event of any conflict, such as over Taiwan. "They are a very attractive body of people to then pass on that knowledge," a Western official said. "It's taking Western pilots of great experience to help develop Chinese military air force tactics and capabilities." The UK first became aware of a small number of cases of former military pilots being recruited in 2019 which were dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The Covid-19 pandemic slowed attempts down, when travel to China was almost impossible but the attempts have now increased, leading to this alert. "We've seen it ramp up significantly," a western official said in a briefing to journalists. "It is an ongoing issue." Current serving personnel are being targeted but none are thought to have accepted. The pilots have experience on fast jets and helicopters and come from across the military and not just the Royal Air Force. They have flown Typhoons, Jaguars, Harriers and Tornados. F-35 pilots are not thought to be involved although China is thought to be interested in them. Some of the pilots are in their late 50s and left the military some time ago. Pilots of other allied nations have also been targeted. Officials said they are being recruited through intermediary head-hunters and cited a particular flying academy based in South Africa as being involved. There is no evidence that any pilots have broken the Official Secrets Act or that they have committed any crime. The aim of the alert is to try and deter activity and inform current staff and industry partners and also remind personnel of their obligations to protect sensitive information. "We are taking decisive steps to stop Chinese recruitment schemes attempting to headhunt serving and former UK Armed Forces pilots to train People's Liberation Army personnel in the People's Republic of China," an MoD spokesperson said. "All serving and former personnel are already subject to the Official Secrets Act, and we are reviewing the use of confidentiality contracts and non-disclosure agreements across Defence, while the new National Security Bill will create additional tools to tackle contemporary security challenges - including this one." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63293582 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

10-23-22, 06:37 AM	#355
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

09-25-22, 03:04 PM	#346
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,513 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Isn't the CCP gearing up for another (normal) party congress, or whatever they call it? That actually makes the timing for this rumor look poor. Maybe some in-fighting and jostling in the lower ranks of the party? Agreed, this is probably anti-Xi propaganda. I used to check out some of the "viral" Indian "news" feeds and it became a waste of time.

10-23-22, 01:44 AM	#354
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,513 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0

10-23-22, 06:58 AM	#356
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	How the images resemble each other. China: The "Mensch-Maschine": __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-23-22, 12:13 PM	#357
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	From now on its also formally no more "People's Republic of China", but "One Man's Empire Xina". __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-23-22, 01:05 PM	#358
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	China's leader Xi Jinping has moved into a historic third term in power, as he revealed a new leadership team stacked with loyalists. On Sunday the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) unveiled its Politburo Standing Committee, with Mr Xi re-elected as general secretary. Observers say the line-up, handpicked by Mr Xi, shows he prizes loyalty over expertise and experience. The unveiling came after a week-long party congress in the capital. More than 2,300 delegates elected various leadership groups and gave Mr Xi a new mandate over the party, in a break from decades-long tradition. No other party leader besides CCP founder Mao Zedong has ever served a third term. Leaders of China's allies - Russia's Vladimir Putin and North Korea's Kim Jong-un - were among the first to send their congratulations. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-63362548 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

10-24-22, 05:07 AM	#360
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The Chinese Communist Party's congress concluded on Sunday with the set-piece confirmation of Xi Jinping's historic third five-year term in charge. The spotlight was also on the man named as his new second-in-command, Li Qiang. A loyalist to Mr Xi, he is now on track to become Premier and tasked with managing the world's second largest economy. Meanwhile, on Monday, China released a set of economic figures which had been postponed from the previous week. China's economy faces a number of challenges at home and abroad - including Beijing's zero-Covid policies and the trade conflict with the US. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63296229 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)