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Old 03-11-13, 06:59 PM   #1141
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Was SSN actually written by Tom Clancy? I've not read it, so I can't say, but given how much it apparently sucks I've been under the impression that it was one of those collaborations where Martin Greenberg did much of the actual writing while Tom Clancy was mostly involved by having his name put on it.

While I'm here, I suppose I might as well list what I am reading right now:

Non-fiction:

Frederick the Great: A Military Life by Christopher Duffy

Fiction:

World of Ptavvs by Larry Niven
Post Captain by Patrick O'Brian
Flight of the Falcon by Victor Milán

Comic books:

Kingdom Come by Mark Waid and Alex Ross
52 by a whole bunch of people

Usually I only read one or two books at a time, but somehow I've managed to accumulate this many. I have even more books I'm part way through, but these are the only ones I am actively reading. Also, I should really find something actually submarine-related to read at some point...
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Old 03-11-13, 07:23 PM   #1142
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Was SSN actually written by Tom Clancy? I've not read it, so I can't say, but given how much it apparently sucks I've been under the impression that it was one of those collaborations where Martin Greenberg did much of the actual writing while Tom Clancy was mostly involved by having his name put on it.
I've tried telling him before, but he just put on his Tom Clancy headphones, surrounded himself with a wall made from Tom Clancy (et al ) novels, and played Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. until I ran out of breath.

Wow - six things on the go Raptor1! I'm lucky if I can manage more than one.
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Old 03-11-13, 07:23 PM   #1143
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Was SSN actually written by Tom Clancy? I've not read it, so I can't say, but given how much it apparently sucks I've been under the impression that it was one of those collaborations where Martin Greenberg did much of the actual writing while Tom Clancy was mostly involved by having his name put on it.
I'm told that you can't even tell that Clancy wrote it. It's probably just the "Let's put his name on it so it will sell" type of things.
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Old 03-11-13, 07:27 PM   #1144
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I've tried telling him before, but he just put on his Tom Clancy headphones, surrounded himself with a wall made from Tom Clancy (et al ) novels, and played Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X. until I ran out of breath.
I actually just finished the HAWX Novel...it was a pretty sad excuse for a novel. I love Clancy's stuff...so you can't change my mind on it. I liked Threat Vector...and Dead or Alive...and Locked On....and Against All Enemies....and The Teeth of the Tiger....

Which all happened to be a bit farfetched I do think. The Campus thing couldn't possibly exist...
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Old 03-15-13, 10:51 AM   #1145
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Hope to start reading this in the next day or so.

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Old 03-18-13, 03:14 PM   #1146
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Taking another run at The Sword and the Shield; The Mitrokhin Archive and the History of the KGB.

I love spy stuff, but dang is this one a slog.
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Old 03-23-13, 09:17 PM   #1147
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"War Beneath the Seas: Submarine Conflict During World War II" by Peter Padfield.

Third time I've read it. Good overview of the submarine war. I have always liked his coverage of the British boats in the Med. Before I read this book, I knew very little of their operations. It is amazing what they did sailing out of Malta.

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I just recently finished reading A Higher Call by Adam Makos. Mostly bought it because there was an article about it on CNN last week. It was good, but not as good as the hundreds of five-star reviews on Amazon would have had me believe. I swear people go hog-wild for World War II human interest stories because they're too afraid of offending veterans by saying that the book was "just ok."
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Old 03-24-13, 02:40 PM   #1150
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With my beautiful newborn I have now much less time to read about subs, but I just recently finished U-Boat 977: The U-Boat that Escaped to Argentina by Heinz Schäffer (I can not still believe that the submarine had enough fuel for the way from Germany to Argentina (and this U-Boat returned back again from english coast to Norwegian banks and then went back without refueling in the way).
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Oh my....the book looked interesting so I looked on Amazon: $220 for a new copy, $70 for a used copy.

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Oh my....the book looked interesting so I looked on Amazon: $220 for a new copy, $70 for a used copy.

It's a reference, and well worth the money. You don't want to know what I just spent for Conway's Warship volumes XI and XII.
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I'm still reading SSN. I'm over halfway through it.

Aside from the fact that the characters are flatter than paper, unoriginal story, and that it isn't as detailed as some other books, I like it. It's like reading a dumbed down version of Dangerous Waters.

How many times will China try to take the South China Sea in fiction?
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I'm still reading SSN. I'm over halfway through it.

Aside from the fact that the characters are flatter than paper, unoriginal story, and that it isn't as detailed as some other books, I like it. It's like reading a dumbed down version of Dangerous Waters.

How many times will China try to take the South China Sea in fiction?
Aren't you just better off playing Dangerous Waters rather than reading a dumbed down version of it that has no literary merit whatsoever?
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Aren't you just better off playing Dangerous Waters rather than reading a dumbed down version of it that has no literary merit whatsoever?
I guess. I like the book well enough. I don't have many Modern Submarine fiction books to read. I chose this one cause it's a Clancy one that I haven't read yet. After this, I'll have read all the main books that he wrote and "Co-wrote"
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