For the guys playing with crew fatigue...

Fifi · 10-17-20, 04:55 AM

Hi all,

Have you ever wondered why your crew get fatigue Working at low TC but not at high TC?
Just discovered why...

In your time compression settings, you have a line called « When in 3D view » (in Cmdr, or 3D rendering in Doc/SH3/Main)
If you put X32, your crew will have fatigue working up to X32, but not above!
If your max TC is X1024, and you put X1024 in your « When in 3D view », even full TC your crew fatigue will work!

In other words, the setting you put in your « When in 3D view » is the value at what your time compression stops the fatigue working

So if you want to cross the Atlantic with no crew fatigue, but keeping a fatigue working when close to Action, setting X32/X64 in the « When in 3D view » is the solution.
If you want to manage your crew fatigue even when full TC, you have to put the same value you have in Max Time Compression in « When in 3D view »

Hope that helps!

PS: I’m even wondering if this setting can impact the sunrise and sunset shifting we have when long high TC...not certain, but it could anyway.
In all cases, it was recommanded To set those values identical for some good reason.

FUBAR295 · 10-17-20, 07:23 AM

Nice find.

Good hunting,
FUBAR295

jorgegonzalito · 10-17-20, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

Hi all,

Have you ever wondered why your crew get fatigue Working at low TC but not at high TC?
Just discovered why...

In your time compression settings, you have a line called « When in 3D view » (in Cmdr, or 3D rendering in Doc/SH3/Main)
If you put X32, your crew will have fatigue working up to X32, but not above!
If your max TC is X1024, and you put X1024 in your « When in 3D view », even full TC your crew fatigue will work!

In other words, the setting you put in your « When in 3D view » is the value at what your time compression stops the fatigue working

So if you want to cross the Atlantic with no crew fatigue, but keeping a fatigue working when close to Action, setting X32/X64 in the « When in 3D view » is the solution.
If you want to manage your crew fatigue even when full TC, you have to put the same value you have in Max Time Compression in « When in 3D view »

Hope that helps!

PS: I’m even wondering if this setting can impact the sunrise and sunset shifting we have when long high TC...not certain, but it could anyway.
In all cases, it was recommanded To set those values identical for some good reason.

Come on lazy! Go Go! to work! they will have time to rest when they are dead! Hahaha!

Fifi · 10-18-20, 04:52 AM

Probably the best setting would be to put the value just below your maximum TC in 3D render (or When in 3D View in Cmdr), so sailing max TC you don’t have to care about crew management (for long distances) but all TC below you have crew fatigue working

Randomizer · 10-18-20, 11:51 AM

Good catch. Have always hated the SH3 Fatigue model, mainly because the crew organization provided by the game bears so little resemblance to the actual personnel organization of operational U-Boats. There may be an opportunity here to use the existing fatigue model in a more reasonable manner. Thanks for sharing.

-C

Fifi · 10-18-20, 01:46 PM

In Commander/Cfg/crew fatigue model you can adjust values to your liking.

Ie stock SH3, modify all lines COEF|
Increase value increase fatigue (or endurance) rate... until you find the graal

There are 12 different compartments (including Flak/Deck gun station)
You can have different fatigue rate per compartments. Hardest thing is to figure the lines corresponding to compartments!
So in the Diesels room, it could be more tiring than in Command room etc
And...there is also the bad weather factor, wich can increase the fatigue too (important for deck station)

Onealex fatigue model is quite nice in that matter. That’s even the first time i enjoy playing with crew fatigue on....

Hanzberger · 01-02-21, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

Probably the best setting would be to put the value just below your maximum TC in 3D render (or When in 3D View in Cmdr), so sailing max TC you don’t have to care about crew management (for long distances) but all TC below you have crew fatigue working

I use GWX model, which is really what your referring to above. (32TC) Long engagments, reloading, guys get tired.
However, what I am wondering is how do you guys do medals and awards. I have noticed that if I give my crew medals and such through SH CMD, they now never get tired. I find this very unrealistic.
Also how do you do your qualifications? Through game or CMDer?
Have you done any testing with the sunrise, sunset?

John Pancoast · 01-02-21, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanzberger

I use GWX model, which is really what your referring to above. (32TC) Long engagments, reloading, guys get tired.
However, what I am wondering is how do you guys do medals and awards. I have noticed that if I give my crew medals and such through SH CMD, they now never get tired. I find this very unrealistic.
Also how do you do your qualifications? Through game or CMDer?
Have you done any testing with the sunrise, sunset?

I do awards, etc. mostly through Commander, sometimes through the game.
It isn't Commander that makes crew with medals get less tired; that is a stock result too.

Hanzberger · 01-02-21, 06:05 PM

I'm thinking from now on I will only give medals through the game since it seems more stingy. Where do you stand on qualifications? I have done some research on it (opinions) and my overall conclusion is that all men should have some sort of qualification. I have no concrete testing but it seems the more medals or a certain amount of medals leads to no fatigue.

John Pancoast · 10-18-20, 03:36 PM

I'm surprised so many weren't aware of this.

Kapitän · 10-19-20, 03:43 AM

I use the GWX/8h fatigue setting in Sh3_Cmdr. Works pretty good for me.

Fifi · 10-19-20, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitän

I use the GWX/8h fatigue setting in Sh3_Cmdr. Works pretty good for me.

And what settings do you have in 3D render?

Kapitän · 10-19-20, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fifi

And what settings do you have in 3D render?

I have no more crew fatigue as of time compression x64.

Fifi · 10-19-20, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitän

I have no more crew fatigue as of time compression x64.

10-17-20, 04:55 AM	#1
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,748 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	For the guys playing with crew fatigue... Hi all, Have you ever wondered why your crew get fatigue Working at low TC but not at high TC? Just discovered why... In your time compression settings, you have a line called « When in 3D view » (in Cmdr, or 3D rendering in Doc/SH3/Main) If you put X32, your crew will have fatigue working up to X32, but not above! If your max TC is X1024, and you put X1024 in your « When in 3D view », even full TC your crew fatigue will work! In other words, the setting you put in your « When in 3D view » is the value at what your time compression stops the fatigue working So if you want to cross the Atlantic with no crew fatigue, but keeping a fatigue working when close to Action, setting X32/X64 in the « When in 3D view » is the solution. If you want to manage your crew fatigue even when full TC, you have to put the same value you have in Max Time Compression in « When in 3D view » Hope that helps! PS: I’m even wondering if this setting can impact the sunrise and sunset shifting we have when long high TC...not certain, but it could anyway. In all cases, it was recommanded To set those values identical for some good reason. __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/dpmw3...N_V5.8.7z/file Last edited by Fifi; 10-17-20 at 06:24 AM.

10-17-20, 07:23 AM	#2
FUBAR295 Krusty Krab Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Decks awash in the North Atlantic Posts: 1,293 Downloads: 442 Uploads: 0	Nice find. Good hunting, FUBAR295 __________________ Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

10-18-20, 04:52 AM	#4
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,748 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	Probably the best setting would be to put the value just below your maximum TC in 3D render (or When in 3D View in Cmdr), so sailing max TC you don’t have to care about crew management (for long distances) but all TC below you have crew fatigue working __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/dpmw3...N_V5.8.7z/file

10-18-20, 01:46 PM	#6
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 5,748 Downloads: 456 Uploads: 0	In Commander/Cfg/crew fatigue model you can adjust values to your liking. Ie stock SH3, modify all lines COEF\| Increase value increase fatigue (or endurance) rate... until you find the graal There are 12 different compartments (including Flak/Deck gun station) You can have different fatigue rate per compartments. Hardest thing is to figure the lines corresponding to compartments! So in the Diesels room, it could be more tiring than in Command room etc And...there is also the bad weather factor, wich can increase the fatigue too (important for deck station) Onealex fatigue model is quite nice in that matter. That’s even the first time i enjoy playing with crew fatigue on.... __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/dpmw3...N_V5.8.7z/file Last edited by Fifi; 10-18-20 at 01:55 PM.

10-18-20, 03:36 PM	#10
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,189 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 4	I'm surprised so many weren't aware of this. __________________ "Realistic" is not always GAME-GOOD." - Wave Skipper

10-18-20, 11:51 AM	#5
Randomizer Watch Officer Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 334 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Good catch. Have always hated the SH3 Fatigue model, mainly because the crew organization provided by the game bears so little resemblance to the actual personnel organization of operational U-Boats. There may be an opportunity here to use the existing fatigue model in a more reasonable manner. Thanks for sharing. -C

01-02-21, 06:05 PM	#9
Hanzberger Helmsman Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 102 Downloads: 140 Uploads: 0	I'm thinking from now on I will only give medals through the game since it seems more stingy. Where do you stand on qualifications? I have done some research on it (opinions) and my overall conclusion is that all men should have some sort of qualification. I have no concrete testing but it seems the more medals or a certain amount of medals leads to no fatigue.

10-19-20, 03:43 AM	#11
Kapitän The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 1,580 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	GWX/8h in Sh3_Cmdr I use the GWX/8h fatigue setting in Sh3_Cmdr. Works pretty good for me. __________________ KSDII-Ace/GWX 3.0 Gold/CCoM 10.0 + h.sie-patch; Windows 7 (64-bit); NVIDIA GeForce GTX650 (310.90)