Wuhan virus 2020

[Skybird]

From Milan, Italy:

Doctors in Milan: Close to Despair

In Milan, the burden on hospitals is increasing due to the numerous corona cases. Two doctors report dramatic situations in their clinics.

While the Italian government has now declared the entire country a restricted area to at least limit the spread of the coronavirus, the situation in clinics in and around Milan is deteriorating. This is revealed - despite occasionally imposed message blocks - by a doctor's conversation with the F.A.Z. as well as the branding letter of another doctor who the F.A.Z. is present.

An emergency doctor from a clinic in Milan reports that the number of intensive care beds in his hospital has doubled, but the number of doctors, nurses remains the same because there are simply no more doctors and nurses. The nursing staff has therefore long been working above the exposure limit. The doctor appeals to the population: "I greet you from hell. Help us by staying at home. We can hardly help anyway. If the rules finally are not strictly followed, it will lead to mass killing, "warns the intensive care doctor, adding:" Pray for the nurses who sacrifice themselves here ".

Another doctor from a hospital in the eastern area of ​​Milan reports that the course of the disease has also worsened in young patients. So far, old and weak people were in acute danger. Now, however, the course is becoming increasingly serious, even in younger, healthy patients. There are also hardly any respiratory machines that are absolutely necessary for coronavirus patients.

In the meantime, triage had to be started there. This means that you only intensively treat those who are still given a chance of survival. Elderly or weak patients are no longer given maximum care, which greatly reduces their chances of survival. Triage is actually a procedure that is only intended in times of war or in extreme disaster situations.

Also in the hospital on the outskirts of Milan - as in the clinic in Milan itself - all beds are exclusively occupied by coronavirus patients, as the doctor stationed there reports. For example, if someone were brought in with a heart attack, that patient would have no chance of adequate treatment, he says. In his clinic, too, the staff would work beyond the stress limit. To date, more than 10,000 infections have been reported across Italy, and more than 460 people have died.

In particular, experienced intensive care physicians and intensive care nurses are necessary for the treatment of the difficult courses. But there are only as many of them in normal hospitals as are needed in normal times. Ordinary hospitals in Italy are not adequately equipped for an epidemic.

Both doctors now consider it necessary to actually impose a kind of curfew in the next two to three weeks. With regard to the situation in other countries such as Germany, they express the view that a worsening as in Italy can still be prevented if larger groups of people are consistently prohibited there. Larger events should be canceled. According to the doctor in Milan, public transport should no longer be used for two to three weeks, or only under massive hygienic controls. He also knew that this would have massive economic consequences, he says. But a fully developed corona epidemic has such consequences, too.

from: FAZ
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellsc...-16672571.html

[Traveller]

Another doctor from a hospital in the eastern area of ​​Milan reports that the course of the disease has also worsened in young patients. So far, old and weak people were in acute danger. Now, however, the course is becoming increasingly serious, even in younger, healthy patients.

Very worrying news. It does now appear there is a deadlier strain hitting Italy and Iran.

[Traveller]

Regarding Dr. John Campbell's March 10th video update I posted, I think the most important information was in the beginning where he talked about that bus passenger in China who became infected, getting on 30 minutes after an already infected passenger had gotten off. Researchers meticulously ruled out all other possibilities of transmission.

The virus is airborne.

10 nursing homes in Washington state confirm infections.

Health officials in Washington state have announced that at least 10 long-term care facilities have reported positive COVID-19 cases.

German Chancellor Merkel says 60-70% of Germany's population will become infected.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that authorities believed 60-70% of the population would eventually get infected by the novel coronavirus.

National Guard to deploy in New York. Will create 'containment zone'.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday plans to deploy the National Guard and create a one-mile containment area in New Rochelle in an attempt to stop a growing cluster of coronavirus cases.

Infected UK health minister had direct contact with PM Boris Johnson.

Nadine Dorries, who attended a reception with the Prime Minister and his fiancé Carrie Symonds in Downing Street last Thursday, said in a statement on Tuesday that she had been diagnosed with the virus and is in self-isolation.

Health officials are now racing to trace those who have had contact with Dorries, who has kept a busy diary of engagements in and around the UK's political center.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-n...hnk/index.html

[ikalugin]

There also seems to be shortage of masks and other personal protection means for medical workers.

[Jimbuna]

Seventh death in the UK was reported last night.

[Skybird]

Oh man, in Italy things really seem to go badly. Just red that hospitals have started to reject elder people. I refer to the translated article I posted on the page before, there they called it "triage". But now they do not just treat elderly people with little chances less intensely, but they do not even let them coming in anymore.

In plain words: their situation is so desperate that they must actively decide to let people die.

Was forseeable and to be expected, but still impressing me when now really reading it for fact.

[Rockstar]

Makes me wonder what is setting Italy apart from the rest of the world. South Korea has similar numbers and a fairly aggressive treatment plan and their numbers appear to be well under control. Unfortunately for Italy my best guess is their healthcare system is now overloaded and unable to effectively cope with the situation. The exact thing our own CDC warned may happen.

The dramatically fast surge in Italian infection rates might be answered looking at Italian culture. It is said there isn't much consideration given to what we call in the U.S. 'our personal space'. In Italy getting within close proximity to one another and physical contact is quite common place and culturally accepted, even with strangers. They just happen to be among the cuddliest nations on earth.

[Traveller]

NYU doctor says US hospitals are unprepared and will be ‘flooded’.

Coronavirus patients could so overwhelm U.S. hospitals that doctors and nurses would be unable to provide adequately for other patients, an infectious disease specialist told CNBC.

The U.S. has fewer doctors per person and fewer hospital beds per person than Italy, said Gounder, a clinical assistant professor of medicine and infectious diseases at New York University.

Three TSA airport screeners in California test positive.

Three airport security screeners based at Mineta San Jose International Airport in California have tested positive for the virus, the Transportation Security Administration.

Trump calls emergency meeting with top health officials at White House.

“This morning we were informed that President Trump and Vice President Pence have called our witnesses to an emergency meeting at the White House. We don’t know the details, just that it’s extremely urgent,” Maloney, D-NY, said before opening a hearing on the nation’s preparedness and response to the coronavirus outbreak that has swept across the nation.

DJIA plummets 1,000 points (4%).

The Dow Jones Industrial Average traded 1,000 points lower, or 4%. The S&P 500 slid 3.6% while the Nasdaq Composite dropped 3.3%.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/coro...t-updates.html


It is coming, and there is no escape.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Traveller

Regarding Dr. John Campbell's March 10th video update I posted, I think the most important information was in the beginning where he talked about that bus passenger in China who became infected, getting on 30 minutes after an already infected passenger had gotten off. Researchers meticulously ruled out all other possibilities of transmission.

The virus is airborne

Keep up the good work Traveller in fact all of you that care

What Traveller posted is so important and a real key to how this covid-19 can spread so easy ...

"30 minutes after the sick man got off another man gets infected"

Plus the fact that people that don't even know they have Covid-19 are able to transmit the disease to others.

Now I am worried ...
I can work at home ...
I can order food using my internet ...
I can watch movies and sports games on my Dish satellite ...
I can worship the Lord without going to church ...
I can say good-by world till this is over ...
Maybe next year ...
Maybe not ...

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

There also seems to be shortage of masks and other personal protection means for medical workers.

Yeah, there's a shortage period, since most of it comes from China.

People are being blamed for buying masks and leaving none for medical workers. I say nuts to them, the health professions should be more alert and better prepared. They knew about this the same time as the rest of us, why didn't they act?

From the Boston Globe
https://www.boston.com/news/health/2...testing-delays

Dr. Helen Y. Chu, an infectious disease expert in Seattle, knew that the United States did not have much time.

In late January, the first confirmed American case of the coronavirus had landed in her area. Critical questions needed answers: Had the man infected anyone else? Was the deadly virus already lurking in other communities and spreading?

As luck would have it, Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region.

To repurpose the tests for monitoring the coronavirus, they would need the support of state and federal officials. But nearly everywhere Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea, interviews and emails show, even as weeks crawled by and outbreaks emerged in countries outside China, where the infection began.

By Feb. 25, Chu and her colleagues could not bear to wait any longer. They began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval.

What came back confirmed their worst fear. They quickly had a positive test from a local teenager with no recent travel history. The coronavirus had already established itself on U.S. soil without anybody realizing it.

“It must have been here this entire time,” Chu recalled thinking with dread. “It’s just everywhere already.”

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yeah, there's a shortage period, since most of it comes from China.

People are being blamed for buying masks and leaving none for medical workers. I say nuts to them, the health professions should be more alert and better prepared. They knew about this the same time as the rest of us, why didn't they act?

From the Boston Globe
https://www.boston.com/news/health/2...testing-delays

Would't you keep strategic stockpiles of personal protection means for the medical workers though? Ie by people like FEMA and the like.


The other problem that I see is mass burrial. If we are looking at 50%+ infected and 2%+ dead then we can expect 1%+ of population to die over the next few months and this may require centralised corpse collection and burrial to be organised.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Would't you keep strategic stockpiles of personal protection means for the medical workers though? Ie by people like FEMA and the like.


The other problem that I see is mass burrial. If we are looking at 50%+ infected and 2%+ dead then we can expect 1%+ of population to die over the next few months and this may require centralised corpse collection and burrial to be organised.

The agencies should, yeah.

[Mr Quatro]

What if someone dies from Covid-19 that is a big shot?

You know a world leader? Pick a country, any country ...

Would they have a big state funeral for them with a parade and
the body laying in the rountunda

Who would attend? Who would get sick?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

What if someone dies from Covid-19 that is a big shot?

You know a world leader? Pick a country, any country ...

Would they have a big state funeral for them with a parade and
the body laying in the rountunda

Who would attend? Who would get sick?

If it were in the likes of North Korea I doubt the mourners would have a choice.

[Jimbuna]

The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in the UK has now reached 456, the biggest rise in a single day.

The Department of Health confirmed there had been 83 more cases since Tuesday. Six patients with coronavirus have died in hospitals in the UK.

It comes as NHS England plans to expand the number of people it can test in a day to 10,000, up from 1,500.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51839106