Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

The article could also be posted in our Wuhan-Thread.
They are right.

Some of my friends was sceptic to the vaccine and now they are against our help to Ukraine.

For over two years, a small group of Danes had been working intensively against the government's handling of the coronavirus crisis. A few people with loud voices and a large reach.

On 24 February 2022, Vladimir Putin's Russia invaded neighbouring Ukraine. And then, in one fell swoop, there was a remarkable turnaround among some of the most hardcore coronavirus sceptics. The developments are being followed closely and with great concern.

"It was so striking. On 24 February, it turned out that those who had had very strong views on the coronavirus vaccine were suddenly very much against Zelenskyj."

These words come from military analyst Jeanette Serritzlev from the Danish Defence Academy. She works on information warfare on a daily basis.

And here we are getting closer.

"Many of those who were prominent anti-vaxxers were suddenly pro-Russian," she explains.

This development is one that is being followed with equal parts fear and interest by, for example, the Danish Defence Academy.

But also among Danish intelligence services. This is according to a Danish expert in the field:

"There is an increased concern among intelligence services about dissident groups. So this shows that it requires a certain amount of attention," says Michael Bang Petersen, Professor of Political Science at Aarhus University. Throughout the coronavirus pandemic, he has closely monitored the behaviour of Danes.

Although he has not conducted a detailed study of this, he has also noticed that several people who expressed scepticism about the handling of the corona pandemic very quickly switched to theories about Ukraine after Russia's invasion.

"This is not surprising, because the biggest factor that makes a person start believing in a conspiracy theory is that they already believe in another conspiracy theory," says Michael Bang Petersen.

One of the key concerns about the sudden shift is the influence of Russia.

For many of the views expressed by the anti-vaxxers on Ukraine were similar to those spread by media and profiles in Russia with Putin's best interests in mind.

For Jeanette Serritzlev, this did not look like a coincidence.

"Many of the attitudes that were expressed were one-to-one the same attitudes that you would see on a media outlet like Russia Today (RT)," she says.

She does not want to name specific profiles. But what Jeanette Serritzlev and her colleagues noticed was a storm.

Both by fake profiles on social media, but also by well-known Danish and foreign celebrities. Real people.

The Danish Defence Academy is paying extra attention to this development. This is due to something that was already seen during the coronavirus pandemic.

"During the corona pandemic, it was clear that Russia was quietly helping the anti-vaxxer communities in the West. Nothing big, but they supported them," says Jeanette Serritzlev.

"The same anti-vaxxer communities can now be used by Russia to spread anti-Ukraine stories now," she elaborates.

What unites those who oppose the vaccine and now support Ukraine and President Volodymyr Zelenskyj is a general scepticism towards authorities and authorities.

Some parts of that environment may also have a tendency towards conspiracy theories.

"Corona helped to strengthen these networks of anti-authoritarian figures. They were united during the pandemic. And now Russia has managed to use them to get its propaganda out," explains Jeanette Serritzlev.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

It would not surprise surprise if the Danish PET or FET(Similar to FBI or CIA) is monitoring the development here in our country.

Markus

[Skybird]

One possible psychological explanation is that people who have felt cheated once too often by "their" state no longer trust this state of theirs in the future - and invest their trust instead in another state, which is not their state, and which has the appearance or the actual intention of standing up to their state, which has truly or even only supposedly cheated them - which they interpret as a righteous fight against the evil of their cheating state, without questioning this hypothesis any further. The stronger the feeling of having been deceived, or the more often or the longer this impression occurs, the greater the likelihood of turning against one's own state: not necessarily by beginning to actively resist, but by applauding those who do so on one's behalf, or by joining any anonymous demonstrators.


Moreover, the Corona protests are also partly sponsored and supported by Russia. Russia serves everything that undermines stability in the Western states. It has been doing that for a very long time, and it has gotten damn good at it.

[mapuc]

^ Interesting indeed, Yes they are very critical towards the State and authorities.

One thing I will give them-Being critical about the help we send and critical against Zelenskyy isn't the same as they support Putin.

It happens every time one of my Danish or Swedish friends write a critical issue about Ukraine and/or Zelenskyy there's always someone writing.
"Putin lover" on this friends wall.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

One possible psychological explanation is that people who have felt cheated once too often by "their" state no longer trust this state of theirs in the future - and invest their trust instead in another state, which is not their state, and which has the appearance or the actual intention of standing up to their state, which has truly or even only supposedly cheated them - which they interpret as a righteous fight against the evil of their cheating state, without questioning this hypothesis any further. The stronger the feeling of having been deceived, or the more often or the longer this impression occurs, the greater the likelihood of turning against one's own state: not necessarily by beginning to actively resist, but by applauding those who do so on one's behalf, or by joining any anonymous demonstrators.


Moreover, the Corona protests are also partly sponsored and supported by Russia. Russia serves everything that undermines stability in the Western states. It has been doing that for a very long time, and it has gotten damn good at it.

If you only can vote between Tweedledum and Tweedledee both backed by the ones that ensure you have to labor your whole life to pay back your debt to them, it is no surprise you get confused whois who and who has your back.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

An amphibious landing by Ukrainian special comamndos to retake the nuclear reactor at saporishja has failed. 600 elite soldiers tried to land with over 30 fast attack boats, "hoping" the Russians would not dare to fire with heavy artillery in the vicinity of the reactors, German media report. But they did, plus fire form tanks, and heavy fortofcation, also the ground is heavily mined. The Ukrainian commander decided after some hours to poull his forces back instead of wasting them uselessly.

This might only be an outlook of what an Ukrainian offensive hase to overcome. Heavily fortified defence lines, dense mine fields, entrenched tanks and artillery. The Russian defences are much otugher this time than they were at Cherson or Charkiv. It it looks like this all across Crimea and in many parts of the frontline in Luhansk and Donbass. Well, the Ukrainian offensive will not be self-perpetuating. And I dont take a success as granted. If it succeeds, the Ukrainians nevertheless will pay a high blood toll.

It also gets reported that several missiles were shot down over Crimea and several others impacted and caused detonations. Some say that this might be preparatory fire to suppress air defences and artillery, and that it indicates the beginning of the Ukrainian offensive. Maybe it is, maybe not. I dont know.

In the dead of night last October 19, 2022, a Ukrainian special forces team boarded a 40ft armored patrol boat, taking up positions at its three heavy machine guns and Mk19 automatic grenade launcher. They were among nearly 600 elite troops scattered along the north bank of the Dnipro River, which carves through Zaporizhzhia region. The teams boarded more than 30 vessels bristling with weapons, formidable gifts from friends in the West. Their orders: to launch an assault to recapture the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant from the Russians on the opposite bank. Kyiv has never acknowledged attacking Europe’s largest nuclear power station, but Ukrainian special forces, military intelligence and navy personnel involved have revealed to The Times details of the highly dangerous operation to recover the site. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...2023-fx82xz3xz

[Skybird]

Quality journalism is when an author does not do enough research to realise that he reports an event from already half a year ago.

Explains why I mostly prefer Swiss Neue Zürcher Zeitung to all German newspapers.

[Jimbuna]

[mapuc]

^ I say he's right-They should have withdraw from Bakhmut month ago-
They have lost so many in the effort to protect the town and the area around Bakhmut.
Even the logistic is under heavy shelling from the Russian.

As he also said-The generals knows better, than I do
"Maybe they have decided to let Russia pay a high price to take the town"("") is my own words

His speech about the upcoming offensive, made me remember the stories about these leaked documents...is it their version of operation mincemeat

Meaning the offensive would come where Russia or we didn't expect it

Markus

[Jimbuna]

[Skybird]

How can one be so stupid...??? Media reprt that Slovakia alowe drussian technicians until end of 2022 to access militarey vases and maitnain Sowvjet-build Mig-29s in their arsenal. Its now being reported that those Migs they recently delivered to Ukraine all have bee sabotaged by the Russians, Ukraine says they can fly, but not fight.

Responsible decision makers deserve getting spanked on the bare botton live on TV for everybody to watch. The idea of letting Russians access military bases of a NATO member for maintaing military equipment is silly enough, but to even still allow this after already 10 months of war is sign of a total neural core meltdown.

Turkey bought modern Russian air defences. Well...

[Reece]

Good grief!!

[Jimbuna]

The boss of the UK's largest insurance broker has warned the industry will go bust if it is forced to cover the cost of claims arising from Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

David Howden, the boss of Howden Group, said the sector was 'not designed' to be a 'backstop' for the costs of war and if insurers paid out claims 'we'd all go bankrupt.'

The comments came as the owners of around 500 commercial aircraft that were seized by Russia shortly after the outbreak of war prepared to sue several Lloyd's of London insurers after they refused to pay out around £8billion in claims.

Howden said their decision not to pay up was legitimate.

'Ultimately, war has never been something that insurance has been there to cover,' he told The Sunday Telegraph.

He added that there was 'not enough capital in the insurance market' to cover the impact of the conflict and if policies were expanded the Government would need to bail out bankrupt insurers.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...f2325fb0&ei=10

One of the fundamental realities of war.

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