Dallas Airshow Collision

Buddahaid · 11-12-22, 05:54 PM

A B17 and a P63 collided today. I don't think there were any survivors.
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/12/11363...ision-faa-ntsb

Platapus · 11-12-22, 06:17 PM

That's terrible.

I would be surprised if anyone could survive that.

Skybird · 11-12-22, 06:23 PM

Invite the devil for a dance, but dont be surprised if he he puts up a tune that makes your dancing feet burn hotter than you like.

Tragic. Unneeded.

les green01 · 11-12-22, 08:49 PM

That's terrible and a shame

Buddahaid · 11-12-22, 09:17 PM

What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver.

Rockstar · 11-12-22, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver.

Sure looks like it. I’m no investigator but at first glance it seems as though the B17 was under the nose of the P-63. Sad day.

August · 11-12-22, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Invite the devil for a dance, but dont be surprised if he he puts up a tune that makes your dancing feet burn hotter than you like.

Tragic. Unneeded.

les green01 · 11-12-22, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Sure looks like it. I’m no investigator but at first glance it seems as though the B17 was under the nose of the P-63. Sad day.

what it looks like,lost of lives and two old birds seem like b-17 that is flyable getting hard to find if i remember

Jimbuna · 11-13-22, 05:33 AM

So tragic

Skybird · 11-13-22, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver.

Kind of my first impression, too. The P-63 pilot I think misjudged the distance between his wing and the bomber. Humans are imperfect. Errors happen. Thats why I think it is not smart to artifically and unneededly reduce margins for possible errors to zero. Sometimes you catch the bear - sometimes the bear catches you.

Catfish · 11-13-22, 07:08 AM

Terrible.

"did not see the other plane" ? – during flight being aware of airspace around your plane and general situation awareness is mandatory, especially during air shows and formation flying.. so could also be a technical fault from a snapped wire to whatnot.

iambecomelife · 11-13-22, 07:46 AM

Some good footage of the B-17 and the crewmen involved just before the incident; I suppose some of the people shown in this video lost their lives. Also several other WWII aircraft from different countries.

They clearly put on a good show before the disaster - aviation regs aren't really my thing, so I can't speculate about what mistake(s) were made beyond the obvious.

mapuc · 11-13-22, 07:55 AM

There will come changes to these shows.

I could very well imagine following-When one plane is in the air no other can be in the surroundings of the area where the first plane is doing its demonstration for the spectators Further more the first plane is doing its demonstration away from the crowd-Like they have in Sweden.

Markus

iambecomelife · 11-13-22, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

There will come changes to these shows.

I could very well imagine following-When one plane is in the air no other can be in the surroundings of the area where the first plane is doing its demonstration for the spectators Further more the first plane is doing its demonstration away from the crowd-Like they have in Sweden.

Markus

Yes; I seem to remember that, after the Ramstein Air Show Disaster (67 spectators killed), aviation spectacles in Europe became subject to lots of new regulations, and nothing with a similar death toll has happened since then.

I think the only consolation about this incident is that it was not like Ramstein, no dozens of spectators killed by airplane parts - it could have been much worse.

Buddahaid · 11-13-22, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Terrible.

"did not see the other plane" ? – during flight being aware of airspace around your plane and general situation awareness is mandatory, especially during air shows and formation flying.. so could also be a technical fault from a snapped wire to whatnot.

One would think but several times I have found a pedestrian in a crosswalk moving at exactly the right speed to stay hidden behing the A pillar of my car when I was making a left turn. The video shows a similar thing happening where the B17 remains directly in front and just below the nose of the P63.

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,560 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Dallas Airshow Collision A B17 and a P63 collided today. I don't think there were any survivors. https://www.npr.org/2022/11/12/11363...ision-faa-ntsb __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,560 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,585 Downloads: 297 Uploads: 0	Some good footage of the B-17 and the crewmen involved just before the incident; I suppose some of the people shown in this video lost their lives. Also several other WWII aircraft from different countries. They clearly put on a good show before the disaster - aviation regs aren't really my thing, so I can't speculate about what mistake(s) were made beyond the obvious. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,901 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	There will come changes to these shows. I could very well imagine following-When one plane is in the air no other can be in the surroundings of the area where the first plane is doing its demonstration for the spectators Further more the first plane is doing its demonstration away from the crowd-Like they have in Sweden. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat