Wuhan virus 2020 - Page 109

Eichhörnchen · 03-21-20, 12:44 PM

At least they aren't rationing nuts yet

STEED · 03-21-20, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

At least they aren't rationing nuts yet

What nuts? None around here, not even chocolate and crisps. Snack food went bye bye early in the week.

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Coronavirus: Panic buyers 'should be ashamed', says NHS boss
The national medical director of NHS England criticises people whose stockpiling leaves health workers unable to purchase food.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-boss-11961507

I agree, they are selfish bastards who have no shame or morals.

Aktungbby · 03-21-20, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

I agree, they are selfish bastards who have no shame or morals.

Well really, with regard to TP... who has regard for shame or morals with respect to their respective heinous anus!:

STEED · 03-21-20, 02:05 PM

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BREAKING
Coronavirus: Number of COVID-19 infections in UK tops 5,000 as 233 die
The latest figures show there has been a rise in the number of confirmed cases by 1,035 in a day to 5,018.

BREAKING
Coronavirus: Number of COVID-19 infections in UK tops 5,000 as 233 die
The latest figures show there has been a rise in the number of confirmed cases by 1,035 in a day to 5,018.

Looks like without question we are now on the up curb.

mapuc · 03-21-20, 03:32 PM

Uk was mentioned, so I made a search for how many people in UK had died from a Flu infection.

So now you my English friends can compare

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...al-flu-reports

Markus

Skybird · 03-21-20, 04:00 PM

This is a long interview with the German lead scientist who represents the scientific perspective behind the German approach. Prof. Drosten is head of the virology station of the Berlin Charité and the chief counselor to the federla govenrment, and he gets listened to. Probably nobody has more scientific influenc on German polticla deicisons currently, than him. He worked early for the CDC as well, is one of the discoverers of SARS and contributed dominantly to the first quick test for SARS that was then released under his repsonsibility early before it hd even passed all formal tests and licenses (the time was so urgent that he said they could not wait of the bureaucrats to catch up). He is seen as one of the world's leading virologists and is an outspoken expert especially for Corona virusses.

For better or worse, this man's views are the scientific basis the government acts upon.

In English.

https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundhei...omplettansicht

Catfish · 03-21-20, 04:37 PM

^ Listened to a live interview with Drosten today, in the radio on DLF (Deutschlandfunk) today while driving to and fro Braunschweig.

Good man, he also makes the panic spreaders look awful.
"Corona is dangerous, but manageable." He is also of the opinion that Germany is taking the right way.

"We're two or three weeks ahead of some of our neighbors. We've been able to do this because we've been doing so many diagnostics, so much testing. Of course, we missed some cases in this early stage, that always happens. But I don't think we overlooked a major outbreak. This assertion is also supported by the fact that we are seeing cases in Germany increase as expected. But we're also seeing that we have fewer deaths than other countries."

(This was also said in the radio interview.)

But also:
"ZEIT ONLINE: How much longer will we be able to keep up with testing in Germany?
Drosten: At some point, this won't be possible anymore. We're simply not able to increase our testing capacity as quickly as the number of cases rises. Then two things will coincide: First, some of the people who are now sick with COVID-19 will die. And second, because we won't be able to test everyone, our statistics will be incomplete. Our fatality rate will then also rise. It will appear that the virus has become more dangerous, but this will be a statistical artifact, a distortion. It will simply reflect what's already starting to happen: We're missing more and more infections."

So, it still can get much worse here.

He explained the differences between countries like China and us, and why he thinks why our way is the better one, even, or especially, in dire situations like this. When asked about the UK and the US he was very... quiet.
Whatever, he mentioned the cooperation within Europe, but also said that an earlier appreciation/realisation? of the multiplying of cases in Italy would have been desirable.
He is also of the opinion that China was (relatively) open and communicative, so while it all spread from China, the latter's reaction and international information was quick and decisive.

I wonder whether i can get this on audio recording somewhere.

Skybird · 03-21-20, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

So, it still can get much worse here.

Of course it can get MUCH worse. Yesterday, Martenson opened this calculation, he showed that after what Italy has been through, only 0.8% of their population nevertheless has reached immunity so far. Needed for virusses with an estimated R0 (replication/spreading rate) like this one, are 75-90%, 80% he said.

Lets not forget that. Whatever we do, the only relief to all this is 80% herd immunity, either by infection and surviiving it, or by controlled infection via a vaccine.

The only good news is that around 80%, maybe even a bit more of infected people suffer from only mild symptoms that do not require hospitalization, just house quarantine for 3 weeks. This sounds harmless, but the killing risk lies in the hospitals being blocked for all other patients that are not Corona, too.

Also, quite some of those who had to go to hospital and surived it, suffer for the rest of their lives from lung deficits, 20-30% of their lung capacities are gone.

Realistically, vaccine not before 2021. In the best and smoothest and problem-cleaned scenario imaginable, late autumn. But the nothing must go wrong, and everything and everybody must work perfectly. Not very likely, but highly unlikely.

THE_MASK · 03-21-20, 06:59 PM

I read today that in Australia if 40% of the population get it , more people will die than died in WW1 and WW2 . My youngest son nearly died of pneumonia when he was 9 . He will die , my other son will die , my father will die , i will die , my wife will die . All have serious underlying health problems to start with .

Skybird · 03-21-20, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

I read today that in Australia if 40% of the population get it , more people will die than died in WW1 and WW2 . My youngest son nearly died of pneumonia when he was 9 . He will die , my other son will die , my father will die , i will die , my wife will die . All have serious underlying health problems to start with .

Sober - statistics and probabilities do not describe individual fates. NEVER. Only trends for populations. You do not know what will happen to each and every individual in your family.

Do your part to shift probabilites in your favour.

How to do that by now everybody should know.

Mr Quatro · 03-21-20, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

I read today that in Australia if 40% of the population get it , more people will die than died in WW1 and WW2 . My youngest son nearly died of pneumonia when he was 9 . He will die , my other son will die , my father will die , i will die , my wife will die . All have serious underlying health problems to start with .

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Sober - statistics and probabilities do not describe individual fates. NEVER. Only trends for populations. You do not know what will happen to each and every individual in your family.

Do your part to shift probabilites in your favour.

How to do that by now everybody should know.

Onkel Neal · 03-21-20, 08:17 PM

The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus.

By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.

Mr Quatro · 03-21-20, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus.

By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.

You think late testing and very few labs had anything to do with that?

Six weeks later I'm just now getting over the flu (at least I think it was the flu)

Rockstar · 03-21-20, 08:53 PM

I read an article last Thursday or Friday, U.S. N.I.H. is expecting confirmed cases in the U.S. to exceed 70,000 this week. It was said those numbers would be driven mainly from a substantial increase in testing.

Mr Quatro · 03-21-20, 09:00 PM

I just spoke with a friend who got called into an emergency meeting at his hospital. He said the virus is spreading quickly from gas pumps. He said to wear gloves or have a paper towel touch the pump and throw the napkin or gloves out before you get back in the car. Please tell everyone you know. Shopping carts as well, wipe them down

03-21-20, 12:44 PM	#1621
Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 15,763 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	At least they aren't rationing nuts yet __________________

03-21-20, 04:00 PM	#1626
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,568 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	This is a long interview with the German lead scientist who represents the scientific perspective behind the German approach. Prof. Drosten is head of the virology station of the Berlin Charité and the chief counselor to the federla govenrment, and he gets listened to. Probably nobody has more scientific influenc on German polticla deicisons currently, than him. He worked early for the CDC as well, is one of the discoverers of SARS and contributed dominantly to the first quick test for SARS that was then released under his repsonsibility early before it hd even passed all formal tests and licenses (the time was so urgent that he said they could not wait of the bureaucrats to catch up). He is seen as one of the world's leading virologists and is an outspoken expert especially for Corona virusses. For better or worse, this man's views are the scientific basis the government acts upon. In English. https://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundhei...omplettansicht __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-21-20, 04:37 PM	#1627
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,898 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Listened to a live interview with Drosten today, in the radio on DLF (Deutschlandfunk) today while driving to and fro Braunschweig. Good man, he also makes the panic spreaders look awful. "Corona is dangerous, but manageable." He is also of the opinion that Germany is taking the right way. "We're two or three weeks ahead of some of our neighbors. We've been able to do this because we've been doing so many diagnostics, so much testing. Of course, we missed some cases in this early stage, that always happens. But I don't think we overlooked a major outbreak. This assertion is also supported by the fact that we are seeing cases in Germany increase as expected. But we're also seeing that we have fewer deaths than other countries." (This was also said in the radio interview.) But also: "ZEIT ONLINE: How much longer will we be able to keep up with testing in Germany? Drosten: At some point, this won't be possible anymore. We're simply not able to increase our testing capacity as quickly as the number of cases rises. Then two things will coincide: First, some of the people who are now sick with COVID-19 will die. And second, because we won't be able to test everyone, our statistics will be incomplete. Our fatality rate will then also rise. It will appear that the virus has become more dangerous, but this will be a statistical artifact, a distortion. It will simply reflect what's already starting to happen: We're missing more and more infections." So, it still can get much worse here. He explained the differences between countries like China and us, and why he thinks why our way is the better one, even, or especially, in dire situations like this. When asked about the UK and the US he was very... quiet. Whatever, he mentioned the cooperation within Europe, but also said that an earlier appreciation/realisation? of the multiplying of cases in Italy would have been desirable. He is also of the opinion that China was (relatively) open and communicative, so while it all spread from China, the latter's reaction and international information was quick and decisive. I wonder whether i can get this on audio recording somewhere. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 03-21-20 at 04:54 PM. Reason: typoes, still some left i fear*

03-21-20, 08:53 PM	#1634
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,888 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I read an article last Thursday or Friday, U.S. N.I.H. is expecting confirmed cases in the U.S. to exceed 70,000 this week. It was said those numbers would be driven mainly from a substantial increase in testing. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 03-21-20 at 09:01 PM.

03-21-20, 09:00 PM	#1635
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I just spoke with a friend who got called into an emergency meeting at his hospital. He said the virus is spreading quickly from gas pumps. He said to wear gloves or have a paper towel touch the pump and throw the napkin or gloves out before you get back in the car. Please tell everyone you know. Shopping carts as well, wipe them down __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

03-21-20, 03:32 PM	#1625
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,964 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Uk was mentioned, so I made a search for how many people in UK had died from a Flu infection. So now you my English friends can compare https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...al-flu-reports Markus

03-21-20, 06:59 PM	#1629
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I read today that in Australia if 40% of the population get it , more people will die than died in WW1 and WW2 . My youngest son nearly died of pneumonia when he was 9 . He will die , my other son will die , my father will die , i will die , my wife will die . All have serious underlying health problems to start with .

03-21-20, 08:17 PM	#1632
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,289 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	The US number of reported cases just blew past Spain, Germany, and Iran. Well, Iran doesn't count, their numbers are probably bogus. By Friday the US will pass China and be #1 in the world for reported COVID-19 cases.