Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Catfish]

"1. Ukraine says they need longer-range artillery and missiles because Russia's have more range than them. They've lost thousands.
2. The west won't give these to them because they would be used to attack Russia's mainland, which gets Buckingham palace nuked or something
3. If one side has longer range artillery than the other side, they can blow up the other side's artillery safely
4. If one side has artillery support and the other side doesn't, the side that doesn't is cannon fodder.
5. Western military must understand something as simple as this?"

So some say that Ukraine cannot win the war against Russia alright, and all the US wants and does is making Russia deplete it's military resources.
As the war goes on all sides are becoming tired, understandably, Ukraine for sure, maybe even Russia.

So what if Russia wins, and takes all of Ukraine?
Does anybody think Putin will stop there, after what was said about Kaliningrad, Europe, and Germany? Russian charts showing strategic and tactical goals in Europe and Germany should worry a bit more than just thinking of a-bit-uncomfortable energy shortages next winter.

Charts showing russian positions, first one with terrain conquered in the last days:




Chart showing russian mrls around the moving border




Chart showing ukrainian territory conquered by Russia in four months, compared to Germany
(there are real attack charts showing where Russia would like to get is hands on)





The "fact" that Ukraine cannot win and that the three baltic states cannot really be defended by NATO "in case" of a russian attack seems to imply that we should just bury our heads in the sand and better not think about it?
Even if there will be no european-wide war this year, it will come when Ukraine is willfully "allowed to lose". Ukraine is already defending Europe, it is essentially already fighting a european war, but nobody wants to accept what that means in the (not so long) run

Russia will try to conquer what it wants, not what some optimistic western people think it will.

[Catfish]

This was posted by some Russia-loving man from Australia, and no i do not like it.






Next goal for the russian army:




">The implementation of the union programs for the integration of the Russian Federation and Belarus has reached the finish line
>This was announced by the State Secretary of the Union State Dmitry Mezentsev."




Nice, also posted by Russia

[Skybird]

The point is, including the US, the NATO forces ARE superior to Russia, I have no real doubt on thta. It sjust that they are scattered all aorudn the golobe and all across Europe, mosty of them placed far away from the potential future frontline.

The ammo stocks and supply stocks I consider to be estimated to optimistical. They always are, in every war.

Then we have too many foul apples and venomous vipers in our basket. Turkey. Hungary. Nobody knows how Greece would position itself in a article 5 scneario. There are quite some shaky candidates. How will France? The UK, now, after Brexit? What will come of Sweden, Finland, with Sultanistan blocking them?

German-French joint tank venture uncertain, not creating results before 2050. Joint FCAS fighter delayed to at least 2050 as well. Debts stellar. Euro currency collapsing. Risk of hyperinflation, high and lasting inflation already a certainty. Dependency on products and materials from China and Russia, still. Mounting distribution conflicts in the world. Sweet water crisis.


"He who tries to defend everything, will lose everything." We are way too overstretched, and overambitious. We must - finally - start setting tight priorities. We cannot do everything that we want to do anymore. We already couldn't in the past.





Sense of realism desperately wanted!

[Skybird]

So, das tut jetzt Not, sonst platz ich noch.

[Jimbuna]

Russian occupiers shell Kharkiv. In some parts of the city there are power outages, water and communications.

This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to Suspilne.

"Kharkiv is under Russian shelling. The correspondent of the Public reports a fire in an industrial zone in the east of Kharkiv, in some areas after the explosions there were interruptions with light, water, communications," - said in a statement. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3349260

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[Skybird]

Germany has finally released an official list of what it already has delivered and what it plans/intends to deliver. Everybody can make of that list what he wants, my opinion is underwhelmed.


List: What Germany has supplied so far according to the German government

3000 "Panzerfaust 3" cartridges plus 900 grips
14,900 anti-tank mines
500 anti-aircraft missiles STINGER
2700 STRELA anti-aircraft missiles
16 million rounds of handgun ammunition
50 bunker busters
100 MG 3 machine guns with 500 spare tubes and breechblocks
100,000 hand grenades
5300 explosive charges
100,000 meters of detonating cord and 100,000 detonators
350.000 detonators
23.000 combat helmets
15 pallets of clothing
178 motor vehicles (trucks, minibuses, off-road vehicles)
100 tents
12 generators
6 pallets of material for explosive ordnance disposal
125 double telescopes
1200 hospital beds
18 pallets of medical supplies, 60 surgical lights
Protective clothing, surgical masks
10,000 sleeping bags
600 shooting glasses
1 radio frequency system
3,000 field telephones with 5,000 rolls of field cable and carrying equipment
1 field hospital (joint project with Estonia)
353 night vision goggles
4 electronic drone defense devices
165 binoculars
Medical supplies (including backpacks, first-aid kits)
38 laser rangefinders
Diesel and gasoline fuel (current supply)
10 tons of AdBlue
500 pieces of wound dressings for hemostasis
500 pieces of food rations
Food: 2025 pallets (68 truckloads) with 360,000 rations single-person packs (EPa)
MiG-29 spare parts
30 special protected vehicles

List: What the federal government still wants to deliver

10,000 rounds of artillery ammunition
53,000 rounds of anti-aircraft ammunition
5.8 million rounds of handgun ammunition
7 self-propelled howitzers 2000 (artillery pieces)
5000 combat helmets
40 reconnaissance drones
10 protected vehicles
4 remote controlled minesweepers
65 refrigerators for medical supplies
54 armored troop carriers with armament
30 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks including about 6000 rounds of ammunition
1 Iris-T SLM air defense system
1 Cobra artillery tracking radar [delayed to Decembre, Skybird]
80 Toyota pick-up vehicles
3 multiple rocket launchers with ammunition [one less than announced, apparently delayed to the end of the year due to needed software ugrades, Skybird]


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The industry has doezsof Marders readied now for imemdoate dleiover to whoemeber. Not reaciton fromt eh chancelor'S office. The industr yhas already readied an unknown number sof Leopard-1s. No reaction from the chancellor'S office.



It must also eb said that dseverla Wetsenr system delivered, for exmaple UZS switxchblade drones, are not ebig sued by the Ukrianains, because they do not feel familiarized enough with them. Training time needed is a valid argument in delivery of complex systems. No excuse there is that Germany delays and delays negotiations with NATO partners about delivery of Sovjet tanks and vehicles by these countries and these being replaced by Germany with German material ("Ringtausch"). The Czechs or Slovenias are angry. The Poles are angry. The Greeks are angry, every time because of Germany delaying and delaying more.

[Skybird]

German PZH2000 howitzers arrived in Ukraine, Kyiv says.

Putin does what he alway does: escalating. A Russian helicopter violated the airspace of Estonia, intentionally.

Tensions rise over Kaliningrad.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

... Putin does what he alway does: escalating. A Russian helicopter violated the airspace of Estonia, intentionally.
Tensions rise over Kaliningrad.

Hey Comrade Putin, you want war anyway, so bring it on with a second front and Nato, better now than when Russia is prepared again in five years.

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