US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Bilge_Rat]

So turns out that Trump was right when he said that Obama had wiretapped him?

[Catfish]

Trump orders meatpacking plants to stay open.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52466502
Also seems the piece-rate limit has been abandoned already last year?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by u crank

It's a joke. Can you imagine in your wildest dreams that reporter, Weijia Jiang, asking Obama, Clinton or Biden that question? Not a chance. Say what you like about Trump and a lot of it I would agree with but the media and especially the WH press corps have lost their way. They are not interested in the truth. Their game is to play gotcha with the President. And it should be noted that the young woman immediatly turned it into a racial thing when Trump mentioned China.

It's a game and it is a joke.

Agreed

[Catfish]

^ I also agree, but i have to say i expect a potus to hold certain journalists in check instead of storming out of the room. Also it is not the first time. This is also about dignity, and Trump should simply stand above this.

But if some say people have to pay a certain respect to the president, this man himself set a new low for any reporting in the US with his Foxy friends like "if i have enough money i can grab anyone's pussy", so as we say "Wie man in den Wald hinein ruft, so schallt es heraus."

[Jimbuna]

God only knows what China and Russia must be making of all this.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

God only knows what China and Russia must be making of all this.

The good thing is that not much here will care about what China or Russia make of it, at least when it comes to their media

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

So turns out that Trump was right when he said that Obama had wiretapped him?

Well at the time Trump's way of expressing that was not very articulate, but it turns out that, in a much wider scope, he was right. The out going administration was using the DOJ, The FBI and other intel agencies to basically spy on Him, his campaign and then his administration. That has now become painfully obvious.

The fact that Obama himself decided not to share intel about Russian interference with the new administration speaks volumes about the malcious intent that Obama and his minions had.

I chalk it up to pure arrogance. Eight years was not enough for Obama. He wanted to direct and interfer in the new administration. His warning to Trump not to hire Flynn is a perfect example of that arrogance.

[Catfish]

Hmm, this is from april 2020:
"Donald Trump Admits He Made Barack Obama ‘Wire Tapping’ Claim Based On ‘Bit Of A Hunch’. The president made the admission during a lengthy interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity."
So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?

I don't think you are up to speed on this story. It's available but you won't find it on CNN or in the New York Times.

Of course Trump was wrong that his phones were literally 'tapped'. Again eloquence is not his strong point. But in the larger picture he was right. The FISA warrants against Carter Page allowed the intel agencies to look into all past communications between Page and the Trump campaign. It's the 21st century's version of the wire tap only far more intrusive.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by u crank

The FISA warrants against Carter Page allowed the intel agencies to look into all past communications between Page and the Trump campaign. It's the 21st century's version of the wire tap only far more intrusive.

I never thought about that, but all of this is coming out at a strange time five (5) months and 3 weeks before the election. More to come right before the Nation decides which one is the worse choice.

Obama will be Biden's downfall

[Rockstar]

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/...f-the-republic


... according to prominent Democrats in Congress, instead of smartly reopening the economy, we should double-down on Keynesian economics and just print more money than ever. In other words, Americans ought to stay home and get “paid” by the U.S. government.


“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” - <insert origin>

[August]

This is the shining paragon of the Left:

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hmm, this is from april 2020:
"Donald Trump Admits He Made Barack Obama ‘Wire Tapping’ Claim Based On ‘Bit Of A Hunch’. The president made the admission during a lengthy interview with Fox News host Sean Hannity."
So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?

It is more a question of connecting the dots based on reporting since early 2017.

Trump first made his claim a few days after the NY Times reported the FBI had gotten FISA warrants to spy on Carter Page. I thought there was more to this story, but it could be explained as a standard counter intelligence op.

Then stories started coming out how the FISA warrants were based on the Steele dossier which was dodgy to begin with...

Then it turned out you had rogue agents doing investigations on their own...

Then the story changed again to make it sound like Comey was carrying on the investigation on his own...

Then it turned out some officials at the WH, like Susan Rice, may have been briefed on the investigation..

Now, based on the latest reporting, Obama knew personally what was going on and apparently approved the investigation of Flynn.

I also had a "hunch" from the beginning that there was more to this story. It made no sense to me that the FBI would be investigating a candidate of a major Party on its own during an election campaign. It was clear someone high up was ordering an investigation on Trump. I thought it might be someone in the WH, but am surprised it seems to go all the way to Obama.

This is a potentially major scandal, on par with what Nixon did in Watergate, but don't expect the MSM to do anything other than sweep it under the carpet...

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

... So apart from slinging mud and re-appearing accusations in times of elections, i take it new evidence must have been found? Where exactly?

I could look around for it. But I need to know what evidence you're looking for? Schiff's overwhelming and damning evidence of Russian collusion or evidence of illegal FBI investigations?

[Strykr]

The House Intelligence Transcripts were just released on May 7.
Schiff released them after Rick Grennel gave him a choice.
If Schiff didn't.....Grennel would.
The documents show there was no evidence of Russian collusion in the first place.
It's been said right along, they had to take out General Flynn because
"He knew where the bodies were buried."
In his position as National Security Advisor, he would have discovered that Obama had weaponized the Intelligence agencies against the Trump campaign.
This is not NEW news, you just won't hear it on the mainstream news networks.
Hence the term "Fake news."

Does it REALLY make sense that Trump is a super secret Russian agent ???
Think about it.
Also think......
What is it Obama is trying to hide, that he would go to these lengths ???
This amounts to an attempted coup.
You might not like Trump, but he won the election.
The PEOPLE decide.
Not the Intelligence agencies, not the media, and certainly not the outgoing President.

They never thought she would lose.