The tears you see on my face is crocodile tears

mapuc · 10-13-22, 09:44 AM

Who would cry tears on this guy Alex Jones. If any tears it would be crocodile tears.

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A Connecticut jury has found that conspiracy theorist Alex Jones must pay $965 million to several family members of those killed in the Sandy Hook school shooting for spreading lies that the shooting was fake.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alex-...b03e8038c52b11

I have nothing against people who believe in conspiracy-What I'm against is when they hurt people like Alex did.

Markus

Ostfriese · 10-13-22, 09:48 AM

Yeah, and in preparation he has already declared his company bankrupt, and another company (also in his possession) has taken over.

And of course he hasn't learned anything, now it's the deep state that wants to silence him.
Amazingly enough there are still more than enough idiots around who believe him.

Gilbou · 10-13-22, 09:49 AM

Almost a billion.

That's quite a huge amount

mapuc · 10-13-22, 10:48 AM

A Danish newspaper had an issue about this on their FB-wall and someone wrote in the comment.

This court have killed free speech. My reaction when I read it

It had nothing to do with free speech what Alex said in all his program about this school shooting.

What could be said about Alex and free speech is that he violated it.

Free speech comes with responsibility

Markus

Jimbuna · 10-13-22, 10:59 AM

I doubt anyone will see a single dollar.

Platapus · 10-13-22, 03:24 PM

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.

Otto Harkaman · 10-13-22, 11:19 PM

anything you say can and will be used against you

Platapus · 10-14-22, 04:18 PM

Freedom is being able to tell your wife that it is not the jeans that makes her butt look big

Wisdom is knowing not to do that.

Buddahaid · 10-14-22, 08:28 PM

Just to be clear.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The asshat was sued for his lawful exercising of his free speech right. He wasn't arrested for saying it.

MaDef · 10-15-22, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.

True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

ET2SN · 10-15-22, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

How? He was mocking the parents of children who died in a school shooting.
Parents he had never met and did not know. His actions caused those parents to get death threats from his listeners.

If that isn't "the bottom of the barrel", its pretty close.

Platapus · 10-15-22, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

I don't see any slippery slope here at all.

No one is arresting him. No one is preventing him from saying what every he wants to say. He is just being held accountable for what he says.

Skybird · 10-15-22, 06:04 AM

Words somebody says, trigger actions, cause motivations, make people do things and form decisions.

Its like with ideology and why I strictly oppose some - namely Islam - of them: because of their motivational power and the dangeorus stuff they try to motivate for.

You are free to say what you want. He did. Now he is held accountable for what he said, due to the consequences he triggered or helped to support by his words. Because I agree with the need to confront the consequences caused and the actions that took place. I see them as a serious threat to the common good, and in the end: freedom itself. This imo justfies to hold him accountable for what he helped to support.

MaDef · 10-15-22, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ET2SN

How? He was mocking the parents of children who died in a school shooting.
Parents he had never met and did not know. His actions caused those parents to get death threats from his listeners.

If that isn't "the bottom of the barrel", its pretty close.

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I don't see any slippery slope here at all.

No one is arresting him. No one is preventing him from saying what every he wants to say. He is just being held accountable for what he says.

Alex Jones may be a nut-job, but even nut-jobs have a right to speak their minds.

This is just the "next step" for the "cancel culture" ideal, next it will become illegal (criminal) to express certain views in public (such as it is in Sweden, Germany & the U.K.).When you start censuring people for their opinions everybody looses, where do you draw the line?

Buddahaid · 10-15-22, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

Alex Jones may be a nut-job, but even nut-jobs have a right to speak their minds.

This is just the "next step" for the "cancel culture" ideal, next it will become illegal (criminal) to express certain views in public (such as it is in Sweden, Germany & the U.K.).When you start censuring people for their opinions everybody looses, where do you draw the line?

Ridiculous. He can continue saying these things all he wants and continue to be sued for doing it. He was sued by pivate citizens whom he had caused damage to. No different than suing someone for slander or causing damage to your property.

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,901 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	A Danish newspaper had an issue about this on their FB-wall and someone wrote in the comment. This court have killed free speech. My reaction when I read it It had nothing to do with free speech what Alex said in all his program about this school shooting. What could be said about Alex and free speech is that he violated it. Free speech comes with responsibility Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,954 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Otto Harkaman Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 914 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	anything you say can and will be used against you __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,954 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Freedom is being able to tell your wife that it is not the jeans that makes her butt look big Wisdom is knowing not to do that. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Ostfriese Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2004 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,174 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah, and in preparation he has already declared his company bankrupt, and another company (also in his possession) has taken over. And of course he hasn't learned anything, now it's the deep state that wants to silence him. Amazingly enough there are still more than enough idiots around who believe him.

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Gilbou Chief Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: France Posts: 313 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Almost a billion. That's quite a huge amount

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,560 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Just to be clear. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." The asshat was sued for his lawful exercising of his free speech right. He wasn't arrested for saying it. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Words somebody says, trigger actions, cause motivations, make people do things and form decisions. Its like with ideology and why I strictly oppose some - namely Islam - of them: because of their motivational power and the dangeorus stuff they try to motivate for. You are free to say what you want. He did. Now he is held accountable for what he said, due to the consequences he triggered or helped to support by his words. Because I agree with the need to confront the consequences caused and the actions that took place. I see them as a serious threat to the common good, and in the end: freedom itself. This imo justfies to hold him accountable for what he helped to support. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.