US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Hawk66]

Originally Posted by August

That's because as a foreigner you don't get the reference. It is from a very old saying: "God, guns and guts built America". I would add that Biden hiding in his basement has no guts either.

Y could question if guns in today's world are building or destroying America.
At least I have seen a lot of news what guns "do" in high schools, colleges, streets and where ever. I have hardly seen an event where guns "build" sth within the society.

Regarding Biden hiding in his basement...that is fake news for real

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...iden-in-new-ad


BTW has Trump guts?....in doing what ? Fighting the pandemia ? Fighting racism ? Uniting the country ?
Or in just fighting for his relection ?

The only fight which I see as a "foreigner" is the fight against China. You may count this as having guts. The "only" issue with this fight is that the US will lose this fight when fought it in that way - I guess there are enough scholar books about the fight in the cold time area available toady to relearn the lessons. One pillar to learn from that is not to
butt in front of the head regarding your allies and partners - even if they have their issues and are not perfect.

But science does not count a lot these days (not only in the US to be fair).

Or as Bill Gates mentionted it recently.
"
The world did not do enough to prepare for a pandemic. We can avoid making the same mistake with climate change by:

1. Letting science and innovation lead the way
"

Frankly, I do not think this will happen in this decade, regardless of the topic. Especially the younger generation will pay the price. How much will they curse the old ones ?

[Mr Quatro]

Maybe mail in voting will work ... it works in Hawaii

https://apnews.com/ccaba2bb8555b32e5936bf6d863923c2

With Saturday’s election, Hawaii becomes the fifth state to conduct an election entirely by mail after the state enacted a vote-by-mail law last year. Hawaii joins Colorado, Oregon, Washington and Utah in holding all-mail elections. In Hawaii, voters have also had the option to cast ballots in-person at a handful voter service centers over the past two weeks. But the overwhelming majority have used mail.

Elections officials mailed ballots to voters in mid-July. They will count votes received by 7 p.m. on Saturday.

The mail-in ballots likely boosted turnout. Elections officials reported they received some 380,000 ballots.

Hawaii elections data posted online going back to 1992 shows the last time more than 300,000 ballots were cast was in 1994, when there were 309,700.

Oh by the way the article is about Kahele wins Hawaii Democratic primary for Gabbard’s seat.

Neal's sweetheart gave up her seat to run for POTUS

[Dowly]

Oregon has voted by mail since 1998, too.


The only problem with mail in voting is that it makes voting easier, which is bad for the GOP.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Dowly

The only problem with mail in voting is that it makes voting easier, which is bad for the GOP.

Why is that?

[Gerald]

He’s already implied he will not only screw up the voting process but will have months to count and contend. He thinks he can buy time that way.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Oregon has voted by mail since 1998, too.


The only problem with mail in voting is that it makes voting easier, which is bad for the GOP.

No that's not it, there are more opportunities for fraud with mail in voting, add in ballot harvesting (which is legal in some states) and the integrity of the vote is compromised.

Mail in ballots up until now have always been at the request of the individual voter, now you have millions of additional mail in ballots needing to be mailed and collected, with no way to track whether those ballots are valid or not.

Instead of trying to screw up the election with vote by mail (I know some states have done it Oregon being one, but in their case they have a population of 4.5 million, and have been doing it for a while. Try that next door in California with a population of 40 million and with at least 3 million illegal immigrants, along with another 5-6 million Legal immigrants not eligible to vote, and you should be able to get an idea of the problem when expanding it nationwide with only 90 days to the official election.)

the Government should expand the number of polling places (schools would be good, most are currently empty) and extend the the voting period from 1 day to 3 days. That should allow people to vote at min risk, while maintaining the integrity of the vote.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Vendor

He’s already implied he will not only screw up the voting process but will have months to count and contend. He thinks he can buy time that way.

Do you have any actual proof of that?

[Mr Quatro]

Could the enemy (russia and china) be using reverse psychology

Who's spreading the false news and rumors that Trump won't accept the results of the National Election if he loses?

A lie is a lie ... must be the New York Times

Plus if Russia and China are involved in this election?

Which side are they on?

Wouldn't they welcome another socialist style state to take down?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by u crank

Do you have any actual proof of that?

No, an intuition I have nothing else!

[Skybird]

Rigging elections by gerrymandering.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/u...mandering.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...t-problematic/

https://www.britannica.com/topic/gerrymandering

http://www.fairdistrictsohio.org/wha...mandering.html

Gerrymandering is the manipulation of political districts to rig the outcome of elections to favor one political party over another. Both Democrats and Republicans have engaged in gerrymandering but this type of map-making reduces voter choices and leads to fewer competitive elections and elected officials who are less accountable to their constituents.

This and the electoral collage are what simply derails the American voting system and leads this "free election" ad absurdum. Its rigged, plain and simple. I never have and still do not buy the acrobatic attempts to explain why this system was designed and how much it helps to protect minorities from majporities. It doesn't. It riggs elections, it steals elections, and thats why it is being done this way.

And it is currently dominantly done in Republican-controlled states. The party of Nixon, Bush jr and Trump knows what it owes to its reputation, it seems.

Principally, similiar fraud is beign tried in other Western voting systems, including the German one, as well. But to my best knowledge: nowhere to such an excessive, shameless extend.

[Catfish]

@Mr Quatro

Which side Russia and China is on? Surely not on the US side. Putin helped Trump to offfice because he knows that he is no rival, neither politically nor intellectually. Good for Trump, bad for America.

"President Donald Trump refused to commit to accepting the results of the 2020 election and ensuring a peaceful transition of power in an interview with "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace aired Sunday."

"I have to see, look, I have to see, I'm not just going to say yes, I'm not going to say no, and I didn't last time either," Trump said when Wallace directly asked if he would accept the election results. Blah, blahblah.
Who knows whether there will be elections?

Of course i do not believe that he will be able to pull this stunt thanks to some reasonable Americans, but spouting off about the possibility he does all the time.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Could the enemy (russia and china) be using reverse psychology

Who's spreading the false news and rumors that Trump won't accept the results of the National Election if he loses?

A lie is a lie ... must be the New York Times

Plus if Russia and China are involved in this election?

Which side are they on?

Wouldn't they welcome another socialist style state to take down?

It's easy
China want Trump out of the White house.
Russia want Trump staying in the White house.

Markus

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It's easy
China want Trump out of the White house.
Russia want Trump staying in the White house.

Markus

I don't think it's easy, the Chinese don't think like we do anyway

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I don't think it's easy, the Chinese don't think like we do anyway

It was in the Danish news some days ago.

Foreign government is trying to affect to upcoming Presidential election in USA.
Here they said
China see Trump as unstable and want him to loose the Election.

Putin have see Trump as his friend(some may say his puppet) and want him to win.

Markus

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And it is currently dominantly done in Republican-controlled states. The party of Nixon, Bush jr and Trump knows what it owes to its reputation, it seems.

This is a map of New York’s 10th United States Congressional District in New York City. It is currently held by Rep. Jerry Nadler who is a Democrat. Care to guess why it is shaped like that? New York City's proportion of white people is about is about 42%. In Jerry Nadler's District it is 62% with only about 4% black. NYC has about 24% black population. Coincidence?

Right.