Realism- and gameplay-related hardcode fixes for SH3.EXE - Page 27

h.sie · 10-21-10, 08:28 AM

I can only talk accurately about the things I tried to fix: Repair times and CO2 production when submerged. These values become inaccurate on high TC compared to low TC. Not very serious.

Regarding the other aspects I have to speculate, because I didn't test it. But I suppose other aspects of the game could suffer much more from these cancelled calculations on high TC, e.g. detection of enemy. Sudden death on high TC without warning........weather changes.......spawning of enemy aircraft......???

This is speculation, not knowledge.

maybe I should have written: "this discrepancy can lead to inaccurate, defective simulation results in some aspects".

LGN1 · 10-21-10, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

So for my second version I’m programming a routine that checks the speed every 10 seconds when snorkelling. More exactly: There is already such a routine that makes calculations every 10 seconds, and I simply modify it. Every time a speed above 5knots is detected while snorkeling, a WM_KEYPRESS message for the key “2” will be generated, so that the executable thinks the user pressed “2” to order new speed 2/3 ahead. Optimistic that it will work.

Now I’m thinking about how to consider Wind speed / wave height. Possible values could be:

Wind speed 0-5m/s: Speed will be reduced to 2/3 ahead.
Wind speed 6-10m/s: Speed will be reduced to slow ahead.
Wind speed > 10m/s: Snorkelling not possible. Engines will be stopped by the watch routine.

Are these historically correct?

Hi h.sie,

the method sounds fine. You might also combine this method with a key command for turning off the hydrophone (or can you reduce the max. hydrophone range by a factor?)

The same method might also be a simple solution for the 'speed-limited' periscope (if bluring does not work).

Concerning torpedo re-loading: If possible you might think about changing the loading time depending on sea state. For instance, if the boat is surfaced and wind > x m/s, torpedos (both internal & external) cannot be loaded (i.e., loading time in sim files very high). However, submerged you can load the tubes. For the external tubes you might also think about taking night time into account (I guess there is a variable that determines night and day (controling at least the red light)).

Cheers, LGN1

Philipp_Thomsen · 10-21-10, 02:34 PM

You mean 1/3 ahead. There's no such thing as 2/3.

Now I can understand why so much sh!t happens at high tc. Good info, h.sie.

h.sie · 10-22-10, 02:03 AM

In german they are called "kleine fahrt" and "langsame fahrt", and I thought they are called "ahead slow" and "2/3 ahead" in english.

h.sie · 10-22-10, 02:41 AM

my batteries are empty. the todo-list is growing much faster than my progress is. so please no new ideas or wishes at the moment. snorkel fix is not easy since my idea doesn't work and I have only 2 hours for modding per day.

phew.

Philipp_Thomsen · 10-22-10, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

In german they are called "kleine fahrt" and "langsame fahrt", and I thought they are called "ahead slow" and "2/3 ahead" in english.

That is weird... 2/3 = 66%.

And 2/3 speed is not even half the speed.

Draka · 10-22-10, 11:27 AM

From here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_order_telegraph

"The following dial positions are more common on older ships:

AAIII -- "all-ahead flank," the fastest possible, often unsustainable due to mechanical constraints
AAII -- "all-ahead full," rapid cruising speed, sustainable over long distances
AAI -- "all-ahead standard," normal cruising speed, more energy-efficient than AAII
AA2/3 -- "ahead two-thirds," slow, used for hazards
AA1/3 -- "ahead a third," very slow, used for docking
Z -- "all stop," no motion
B1/3 -- "back a third," very slow reverse
B2/3 -- "back two-thirds," slow in reverse
BF -- "back full," fastest sustainable in reverse
BE -- "back emergency," maximum power in reverse, often unsustainable"

AA = All Ahead, B = Back

Just for grins:

"All Ahead Bendix - Traditionally, an engine order for "max tracks," i.e. as fast as she can go. The Engine Order Telegraph (q.v.) was traditionally made by the Bendix Company, and was so marked just past the forward end of the annunciator quadrant. Therefore, pushing the E.O.T. annunciator handles as far forward as they would go brought the pointer near the word "Bendix." Actual use of "All Ahead Bendix" tends to irritate the Chief Engineer."

makman94 · 10-22-10, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

my batteries are empty. the todo-list is growing much faster than my progress is. so please no new ideas or wishes at the moment. snorkel fix is not easy since my idea doesn't work and I have only 2 hours for modding per day.

phew.

hehehe.....the todo list .... has end ?

only 2 hours per day ? have you think that there is the night ...too ?

i am joking H.Sie ,
when you give us the 'green' light again...i want to add an idea or wish at the todo-list

keep up the real good job

Yoriyn · 10-22-10, 12:14 PM

Thank you for the great mod. I 've been waithin so long for this!!

Philipp_Thomsen · 10-22-10, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draka

From here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_order_telegraph

"The following dial positions are more common on older ships:

AAIII -- "all-ahead flank," the fastest possible, often unsustainable due to mechanical constraints
AAII -- "all-ahead full," rapid cruising speed, sustainable over long distances
AAI -- "all-ahead standard," normal cruising speed, more energy-efficient than AAII
AA2/3 -- "ahead two-thirds," slow, used for hazards
AA1/3 -- "ahead a third," very slow, used for docking
Z -- "all stop," no motion
B1/3 -- "back a third," very slow reverse
B2/3 -- "back two-thirds," slow in reverse
BF -- "back full," fastest sustainable in reverse
BE -- "back emergency," maximum power in reverse, often unsustainable"

AA = All Ahead, B = Back

Just for grins:

"All Ahead Bendix - Traditionally, an engine order for "max tracks," i.e. as fast as she can go. The Engine Order Telegraph (q.v.) was traditionally made by the Bendix Company, and was so marked just past the forward end of the annunciator quadrant. Therefore, pushing the E.O.T. annunciator handles as far forward as they would go brought the pointer near the word "Bendix." Actual use of "All Ahead Bendix" tends to irritate the Chief Engineer."

I know what you're saying. So it's wrong on SH3 the line "All ahead 1/3" that is shown on the screen when you press "2".

What I find weird is that seems to be wrong, mathematically.

Suppose the ship max speed was 20 kts: All ahead 2/3 would give you around 7 kts, which is basically one-third of the max speed. Two-thirds would be 66%, or 14kts.

But anyway... who am I to argue with the navy?

h.sie · 10-22-10, 03:27 PM

would it be historically correct to make the speed restriction when snorkelling dependent on wave height (=wind speed) ???

Example:

Wind speed 0-3 m/s : Max. Speed = 5kn
Wind speed 4-10m/s: Max. Speed sinks from 5kn (@4m/s) to 0kn (@10m/s)
Wind speed > 10m/s: Max. Speed = 0kn (snorkelling not possible).

??????????
?? h.sie ??
??????????

@LGN1: What did you mean regarding hydrophones?
Should I try to disable them when snorkelling (since diesels are on)??

Yoriyn · 10-22-10, 04:40 PM

Ok I think, I found first bug in your mod.

WO respone is delayed not only for Nearest Contact, but for all his orders. So lets say you give order Man to the Flak, and you need wait few second before WO give that order to sailors. This is little annoying.

I think there is no longer point to delay WO response.

h.sie · 10-22-10, 04:42 PM

I didn't delay WO response - only his accuracy for range estimations

Yoriyn · 10-22-10, 04:54 PM

ups...

So mayby I'm just tired, and slow now

Sorry, it's time to bed.

LGN1 · 10-22-10, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

would it be historically correct to make the speed restriction when snorkelling dependent on wave height (=wind speed) ???

Example:

Wind speed 0-3 m/s : Max. Speed = 5kn
Wind speed 4-10m/s: Max. Speed sinks from 5kn (@4m/s) to 0kn (@10m/s)
Wind speed > 10m/s: Max. Speed = 0kn (snorkelling not possible).

??????????
?? h.sie ??
??????????

@LGN1: What did you mean regarding hydrophones?
Should I try to disable them when snorkelling (since diesels are on)??

Hi h.sie,

sorry, I don't have any accurate data about the speed issue

I will look for it.

Yes, turning off the hydrophone would be great! According to what I read the hydrophones could not be used when snorkelling because of the diesels.

Cheers, LGN1

10-21-10, 08:28 AM	#391
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	I can only talk accurately about the things I tried to fix: Repair times and CO2 production when submerged. These values become inaccurate on high TC compared to low TC. Not very serious. Regarding the other aspects I have to speculate, because I didn't test it. But I suppose other aspects of the game could suffer much more from these cancelled calculations on high TC, e.g. detection of enemy. Sudden death on high TC without warning........weather changes.......spawning of enemy aircraft......??? This is speculation, not knowledge. maybe I should have written: "this discrepancy can lead to inaccurate, defective simulation results in some aspects". __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie Last edited by h.sie; 10-21-10 at 08:42 AM.

10-21-10, 02:34 PM	#393
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	You mean 1/3 ahead. There's no such thing as 2/3. Now I can understand why so much sh!t happens at high tc. Good info, h.sie. __________________ To each his own

10-22-10, 02:03 AM	#394
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	In german they are called "kleine fahrt" and "langsame fahrt", and I thought they are called "ahead slow" and "2/3 ahead" in english. __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

10-22-10, 02:41 AM	#395
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	my batteries are empty. the todo-list is growing much faster than my progress is. so please no new ideas or wishes at the moment. snorkel fix is not easy since my idea doesn't work and I have only 2 hours for modding per day. phew. __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

10-22-10, 11:27 AM	#397
Draka Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 256 Downloads: 322 Uploads: 0	From here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_order_telegraph "The following dial positions are more common on older ships: AAIII -- "all-ahead flank," the fastest possible, often unsustainable due to mechanical constraints AAII -- "all-ahead full," rapid cruising speed, sustainable over long distances AAI -- "all-ahead standard," normal cruising speed, more energy-efficient than AAII AA2/3 -- "ahead two-thirds," slow, used for hazards AA1/3 -- "ahead a third," very slow, used for docking Z -- "all stop," no motion B1/3 -- "back a third," very slow reverse B2/3 -- "back two-thirds," slow in reverse BF -- "back full," fastest sustainable in reverse BE -- "back emergency," maximum power in reverse, often unsustainable" AA = All Ahead, B = Back Just for grins: "All Ahead Bendix - Traditionally, an engine order for "max tracks," i.e. as fast as she can go. The Engine Order Telegraph (q.v.) was traditionally made by the Bendix Company, and was so marked just past the forward end of the annunciator quadrant. Therefore, pushing the E.O.T. annunciator handles as far forward as they would go brought the pointer near the word "Bendix." Actual use of "All Ahead Bendix" tends to irritate the Chief Engineer."

10-22-10, 12:14 PM	#399
Yoriyn Planesman Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Control room Posts: 181 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	Thank you for the great mod. I 've been waithin so long for this!!

10-22-10, 03:27 PM	#401
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	would it be historically correct to make the speed restriction when snorkelling dependent on wave height (=wind speed) ??? Example: Wind speed 0-3 m/s : Max. Speed = 5kn Wind speed 4-10m/s: Max. Speed sinks from 5kn (@4m/s) to 0kn (@10m/s) Wind speed > 10m/s: Max. Speed = 0kn (snorkelling not possible). ?????????? ?? h.sie ?? ?????????? @LGN1: What did you mean regarding hydrophones? Should I try to disable them when snorkelling (since diesels are on)?? __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

10-22-10, 04:40 PM	#402
Yoriyn Planesman Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Control room Posts: 181 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	Ok I think, I found first bug in your mod. WO respone is delayed not only for Nearest Contact, but for all his orders. So lets say you give order Man to the Flak, and you need wait few second before WO give that order to sailors. This is little annoying. I think there is no longer point to delay WO response.

10-22-10, 04:42 PM	#403
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	I didn't delay WO response - only his accuracy for range estimations __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

10-22-10, 04:54 PM	#404
Yoriyn Planesman Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Control room Posts: 181 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	ups... So mayby I'm just tired, and slow now Sorry, it's time to bed.