UK to urge France to crack down on migrant crossings

Gerald · 08-08-20, 04:21 AM

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The UK will press French authorities to crack down on migrants attempting to cross the Channel in small boats, ministers have pledged.

A record number of unaccompanied children arrived in the UK on Friday.

Schools Minister Nick Gibb said the government was also considering how to use "maritime assets" in order to prevent crossings.

And, writing in the Daily Telegraph, Immigration Minister Chris Philp said migrants should be fingerprinted.

However, it is unclear what the proposal will amount to, as the fingerprints of asylum seekers are already stored under the European Eurodac system.

Mr Philp said migrants would know "they face real consequences if they try to cross again", and added he would "negotiate hard" with French officials about how to deal with the crossings.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53704809

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53699511

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-53678928

This seems to be a big problem. How are the conditions more concrete when the UK is not in the EU?

Jimbuna · 08-08-20, 06:16 AM

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However, under a long-standing EU deal, called "Dublin III", the UK has the right to send back anyone who is seeking asylum if they could have reasonably claimed it in another country along the way.

That arrangement will cease at the end of the Brexit transition period - next January - unless the UK and the EU agree a similar deal.

Gerald · 08-08-20, 06:24 AM

Thanks! Very concretely, I thank you most humbly for the time you put into drawing my attention to the fact that the answer was to be found in the thread.

Jimbuna · 08-08-20, 06:49 AM

Simple really, all you have to do is actually read before you post.

Gerald · 08-08-20, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Simple really, all you have to do is actually read before you post.

I do realize the fact! Even I have weaknesses.

Reece · 08-08-20, 06:39 PM

Surely you jest Vendor!

Kapitan · 08-08-20, 10:00 PM

Its a massive issue especially from my region the south east of the UK because of these migrants the companies i worked for in the UK ended up with tens of millions of pounds worth of damages to equipment as well as having the loads decimated by these people.

Jimbuna · 08-09-20, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Its a massive issue especially from my region the south east of the UK because of these migrants the companies i worked for in the UK ended up with tens of millions of pounds worth of damages to equipment as well as having the loads decimated by these people.

Heard similarly from a few friends, some of whom live in the towns these people are coming ashore in.

The only answer as far as I can see is sorting out the root problems in the countries they are fleeing from but in all reality that is an impossible task.

Kapitan · 08-09-20, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Heard similarly from a few friends, some of whom live in the towns these people are coming ashore in.

The only answer as far as I can see is sorting out the root problems in the countries they are fleeing from but in all reality that is an impossible task.

Alot of them are not fleeing from war zones though thats the issue, some of the countries listed are just not performing economically.

skidman · 08-09-20, 04:52 PM

So if you were a young man sitting in a country, that is not "performing economically", what would you do? You are 20, you have not used a water closet in your life. Your father comes to you, he says: Son, we have pooled all the family's money, we want you to go to Europe. What do you do? Be honest.

mapuc · 08-09-20, 05:14 PM

^ I came to think of what our ancestor did.

(From memory)

The eldest/strongest son got the money the family had saved. He used this for the ticket to USA/Australia.
It could also be a small village, who saved money and send a couple of young strong men to one of these promise land.

There he/they tried to get a job, because there wasn't any social benefits.

Many failed in doing so.

There was those who had success and after a decade or so, he send money to the rest of the family, so they could immigrate.

So it's not exactly new invention-sending the strongest young man/men to Europe.

Markus

skidman · 08-09-20, 05:38 PM

You missed my point. My question was: Can we blame those, who try to get to Europe (or the UK, who just discovered how useful Dublin III is, but in all other respects thinks European agreements are a piece of sh*t)?

Can we blame them? Be honest.

Catfish · 08-10-20, 02:42 AM

^ Who is them? The migrants? No, perfectly understandable.

So it must be the EU's fault that they get to England? Nope.

"The UK has the right to send back anyone who is seeking asylum if they could have reasonably claimed it in another country along the way." Dublin III as mentioned.

The UK already had this right before Dublin III, and the best joke is that the UK has later opted out of all deals before the EU assembly, and voluntarily accepted all migrants (disregarding the EU treaty).

Which is because all here were a bit astonished, and then laughed at Farage and his racist Hetz-Kampagne.
But all this has been said a hundred times and no one listening.

If the UK wants to prevent migrants from coming to the UK it needs new/other laws, or better some for every country of origin or any country a migrant may migrate from, to the UK. EU migrant laws will not apply after september 2020 when the UK gets out of the EU without a deal, not that anyone ever cared, in the UK.
Don't tell this to "The Sun" or Farage

Jimbuna · 08-10-20, 05:31 AM

As far as I'm aware very few if any at all have been returned to the country they last left which is usually France.

Catfish · 08-10-20, 06:42 AM

But why then.

While the EU is ok with returning refugees to their home countries as long as it is considered "safe", or the last country in which they could have asked for help, why does the Uk then accept those migrants, complains about immigation numbers, invites some hundred thousand Hong Kong refugees, blames the EU and asks for more sovereignty?

Sorry i forgot rule #1: It is alway the EU's fault

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skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	So if you were a young man sitting in a country, that is not "performing economically", what would you do? You are 20, you have not used a water closet in your life. Your father comes to you, he says: Son, we have pooled all the family's money, we want you to go to Europe. What do you do? Be honest. __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,887 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ I came to think of what our ancestor did. (From memory) The eldest/strongest son got the money the family had saved. He used this for the ticket to USA/Australia. It could also be a small village, who saved money and send a couple of young strong men to one of these promise land. There he/they tried to get a job, because there wasn't any social benefits. Many failed in doing so. There was those who had success and after a decade or so, he send money to the rest of the family, so they could immigrate. So it's not exactly new invention-sending the strongest young man/men to Europe. Markus

08-09-20, 05:38 PM	#12
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	You missed my point. My question was: Can we blame those, who try to get to Europe (or the UK, who just discovered how useful Dublin III is, but in all other respects thinks European agreements are a piece of sht)? Can we blame them? Be honest. __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.”* (Douglas Adams)

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Who is them? The migrants? No, perfectly understandable. So it must be the EU's fault that they get to England? Nope. "The UK has the right to send back anyone who is seeking asylum if they could have reasonably claimed it in another country along the way." Dublin III as mentioned. The UK already had this right before Dublin III, and the best joke is that the UK has later opted out of all deals before the EU assembly, and voluntarily accepted all migrants (disregarding the EU treaty). Which is because all here were a bit astonished, and then laughed at Farage and his racist Hetz-Kampagne. But all this has been said a hundred times and no one listening. If the UK wants to prevent migrants from coming to the UK it needs new/other laws, or better some for every country of origin or any country a migrant may migrate from, to the UK. EU migrant laws will not apply after september 2020 when the UK gets out of the EU without a deal, not that anyone ever cared, in the UK. Don't tell this to "The Sun" or Farage __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,198 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	As far as I'm aware very few if any at all have been returned to the country they last left which is usually France. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-10-20, 06:42 AM	#15
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	But why then. While the EU is ok with returning refugees to their home countries as long as it is considered "safe", or the last country in which they could have asked for help, why does the Uk then accept those migrants, complains about immigation numbers, invites some hundred thousand Hong Kong refugees, blames the EU and asks for more sovereignty? Sorry i forgot rule #1: It is alway the EU's fault __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.