GER politics thread

[Jimbuna]

Germany must be hoping that the EU army can be created swiftly then

[Skybird]

The German Bundesrat has mulled a law draft and handed it to the Bundestag which says that vilification of EU symbols shall be punishable with up to three years in prison. The initiative for this laws stems from the federal state of Saxony.

"Niemand hat dier Absicht eine Mauer zu bauen." (Walter Ulbricht, SED party leader and leader of the GDR on 15.06.1961)

"Niemand hat die Absicht einen EU-Supertstaat zu erschaffen." (claimed by EUcrats since last decade of the 20th and throughout the early 21st century)

My prediction: since long politicians mull laws that will criminalise criticism of the EU and demand that any criticism of the EU must be proposed to EU organs that then can to decide on the legitimcy and valdity of said criticsm. This now will come next. The end of free speech and the implementation of thought police. Thinking will need a party license. Thinkling independently already now is socially banned and sanctioned.

The sometimes hilarious, sometimes horrific blueprints for political reglementation of civil society as Philip K. Dick depicted them in so many of his novels, become kind of reality.

At times I start to hope that Russia would indeed launch war against Europe and that the US indeed would stay out of it and chose isolationism. Just so to bomb all this insanity out of the rotting European mind and force reason back into vacuum by confronting luxury-used peasants with existential threat to their very life and survival.


What Alexis de Toqueville once wrote in hisw time, is valid und true for today as well:

"Tyranny in democratic republics does not proceed in the same way, however. It ignores the body and goes straight for the soul. The master no longer says: You will think as I do or die. He says: You are free not to think as I do. You may keep your life, your property, and everything else. But from this day forth you shall be as a stranger among us. You will retain your civic privileges, but they will be of no use to you. For if you seek the votes of your fellow citizens, they will withhold them, and if you seek only their esteem, they will feign to refuse even that. You will remain among men, but you will forfeit your rights to humanity. When you approach your fellow creatures, they will shun you as one who is impure. And even those who believe in your innocence will abandon you, lest they, too, be shunned in turn. Go in peace, I will not take your life, but the life I leave you with is worse than death."


I quoted this several times now, but it is so damn true and actual that it is depressing. However, nothing stops today's ideologists to take several steps beyond Toqueville's warnings.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The German Bundesrat has mulled a law draft and handed it to the Bundestag which says that vilification of EU symbols shall be punishable with up to three years in prison. The initiative for this laws stems from the federal state of Saxony.

WHAT!

Has Germany learned anything about 1933-1945 or has that been erased from history and substituted with Germany was out to lunch during this period.

[Skybird]

^ This video shows "Klartext". Imagine an American president would do this with an American flag after he won an election. The American public would go ballistic. Or imagine the French president throwing the French flag away, I think the French would be so furious that he could quit immediately. I am no symbol-swinger and anthem-singer myself, all this ritualised ceremony means little to me, but I know that it points at something that means a lot to many other people, and that other people value the ceremonial expression itself, too. For Merkel, neither means anything. Cold as a snake in winter. But bites when warmed up.



Its also common over here that if a high politician like the chancellor or the federal president holds a speech on TV, the EU flag always is in front and covers the German flag placed behind it.






As the old joke goes: Merkel fulfills Erich Honnecker's late revenge on the BRD. Her mission is almost fulfilled. The poisonous fruits of her treason will blossom in the years after she has left office.

[STEED]

^I recall that, what a pillock that woman is at times.

[Skybird]

There is more GDR, FdJ and SED than Germany in her. Her acting reflects her ideological self-understanding whcih is of ideological SED regime heritage. He r father led the family in 1950 from safe West Germany into the GDR and there helped the Stasi to undermine and erode the Protestant chuirch form within. And she is a trained specialist for agitation and propaganda and made a career for that in the FdJ.



She is is the most treacherous foul apple that the collapse of the GDR left for heritage to West (and then reunited) Germany. No other survivor of the SED regime was such a turncoat, like she turned out to be. She even outclasses Gregor Gysi, lawyer and Linke-politician who was a Stasi informer and until today has the chuzpe to intimidate everybody with legal action if that person speaks out about that although a court found him guilty and upheld that verdict. To be worse than Gysi, that really means something.



The slime track left by the SED regime never dries out.

[Jimbuna]

I'm certainly not disbelieving you but having read the above has prompted me to make a mental note and do a little research on the subject matter.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm certainly not disbelieving you but having read the above has prompted me to make a mental note and do a little research on the subject matter.

Then why not starting with what this guy LINK, a historian and professional expert for the Stasi's history, has to say on it and on claims that Merkel even worked for the Stasi herself under the codename "IM Erika".

Dr. Hubertus Knabe is a German historian based in Berlin. He is an expert on East Germany and the legacy of communist Regimes in Europe. From 2000 to 2018 he was the Director of the Berlin-Hohenschönhausen Memorial, the former central prison of the Ministry of State Security (Stasi)

This claim most likely seems to be a propaganda coup (I fell for it myself in the past, but understood that I was probably misled there). But the history of her family and her activities in the FdJ are real. Her father was informant of the Stasi for sure, his file proving it was found, the operaiton yb the stasi to undermine the Protestant church is documented. The chancellor's office tried extremely hard from Merkel'S first month in office on to make any biographical documents and official papers from GDR times unavailable. Files disappeared, journalists asking unwanted questions were clearly indicated that if they want to have a future in reporting from Berlin's political scene they better learn to not ask these questions.

Or in plain English: they tried to bury it.

I give the original German link to Knabe's text about Merkel. One has to admit, no matter where one stands, that he tries to approach the subject as fair and objective as he can.

https://hubertus-knabe.de/auf-den-spuren-von-im-erika/

Use the Google translator and see whether it works. For me, it did not accept the text, but that could be some browser setting of mine. Some webpages I cannot get translated in Google Translator.

[ikalugin]

At times I start to hope that Russia would indeed launch war against Europe and that the US indeed would stay out of it and chose isolationism. Just so to bomb all this insanity out of the rotting European mind and force reason back into vacuum by confronting luxury-used peasants with existential threat to their very life and survival.

What would we gain?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

What would we gain?

Who cares? But you would do us Germans a favour - relief from ourselves! You see, even just life itself for us already is an unbearable moral burden, not to mention the massive CO2 and methane emissions we contribute to climate pollution by our breath and our farting...

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Who cares? But you would do us Germans a favour - relief from ourselves! You see, even just life itself for us already is an unbearable moral burden, not to mention the massive CO2 and methane emissions we contribute to climate pollution by our breath and our farting...

You know, moral burden is in your mind. Maybe you should start there.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Then why not starting with what this guy LINK, a historian and professional expert for the Stasi's history, has to say on it and on claims that Merkel even worked for the Stasi herself under the codename "IM Erika". [...] .

It seems you did not read the link you posted. He more or less debunks the myths about an "IM Erika" as a lot of other false accusations.

You can blame Merkel for not often speaking about her past in the GDR, but there is no real evidence that she has worked for the Stasi or has been in a leading position in any of the GDR's secret service branches.

Direct quote from S:'s link:
"Man mag Merkel vorwerfen, dass sie als Bundeskanzlerin nicht wirklich offen über ihre DDR-Vergangenheit spricht. Ein Beleg für eine Tätigkeit für den Staatssicherheitsdienst ist ihre vergleichsweise unbedeutende Funktion in der FDJ in jedem Fall nicht."

Here is the whole article, by Google translate:
https://translate.google.com/transla...on-im-erika%2F

If you look for "IM Erika" or "Traitor Merkel" you will of course find lots of stuff, approximately as reliable and true like a Sun or Breitbart article.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It seems you did not read the link you posted. He more or less debunks the myths about an "IM Erika" as a lot of other false accusations.

No, YOU did not read very well.



I said that the IM Erika story apparently now counts as debunked, and I wa s not going after that story at all. That essay by Knabe touches upon the issue of Merkels FdJ past, and her father, at the end of the text and after Knabe dealt with the IM Erika story.



Your spring-loaded trap once again snapped too early.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

You know, moral burden is in your mind. Maybe you should start there.

We did start there - and from there we conquer the world!

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

[...] Your spring-loaded trap once again snapped too early.

What?

Spin it your way like you want, or reread the text, including the last paragraph(s).