Buying a new PC: It's a nightmare - Page 5

HunterICX · 05-09-09, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

I used to struggle to play IL2 at 25fps on low/medium settings.

That brings back memories of my previous PC playing IL2.....*shivers*
no AA no AF.... medium settings

25 - 35 fps average (depending the map mostly)

HunterICX

Letum · 05-15-09, 08:08 AM

Ah Bollocks!

There seams to be no way to run SH3.
Disaster!

AVGWarhawk · 05-15-09, 08:12 AM

What OS? Vista plays SH3(get one without SF).

Letum · 05-15-09, 08:53 AM

Vista 64 Basic

I get a error message something like:

Quote:

Protection system

this application can be launched with a release version of miscrosoft windows 95/OSR2.1/98/ME/NT 4.0/2000/XP/Server 2003 only

I have tried:
Running SH3 Unpatched,
Patched,
With a "alternative" game .exe that can't be mentioned here
In compatibility mode
In a non-programfiles dir.

Someone recommended updating the Starforce drivers, but that just gives
me an error saying the drivers could not be found.

It looks like the only solution is a dual install or the download version of SH3, neither of which I can not afford.

Bloody Starforce
Bloody Vista

AVGWarhawk · 05-15-09, 08:57 AM

Yeah, I think SF is your issue here. Sorry to hear that sir.

Letum · 05-15-09, 09:09 AM

Well, I shall work it out one way or another.
It's a shame I have to resort to things I would rather not do to get it working
after I paid good money more than once for the product.

AVGWarhawk · 05-15-09, 09:20 AM

I feel your pain bud. I have several games collecting dust that Vista does not play. SH3 being one of them with SF on it. Then again, I do not care to play them anyway. Well, I do know SH3 without SF will run on Vista. Keep an eye out, you might find a copy cheap eventually.

Arclight · 05-15-09, 10:39 AM

DRM strikes again.

(really, I say that far to often)

Is it not possible to run the Starforce drivers in a compatibility mode? If you can trick it into believing it's running on XP, who knows.

Is the Starforce service even listed in Services?

Letum · 05-15-09, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

Is the Starforce service even listed in Services?

No, it isn't.
It doesn't look like the drivers are installed either.

Don't suppose anyone knows of a way to install SF?

AVGWarhawk · 05-15-09, 01:00 PM

Have you checked this thread?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105144

Letum · 05-15-09, 01:09 PM

Oh yes, every word of it.

I am currently in the process of acquiring a copy of SHII without starforce.
Here's hoping that will fix it.

AVGWarhawk · 05-15-09, 01:13 PM

From what I understand it will work without SF. SF does not work with Vista so the game attempts to start and SF/SH3 do not communicate because SF is not there. Remove the SF and the need to communicate with SF and SH3 should run. SH4 does not have SF and I run it without issue on Vista 64.

They should have named Star Force(SF) HB for Heart Burn. Let me know how it works out.

Letum · 05-16-09, 05:47 AM

I am back on the sea!
Thanks again.

Skybird · 05-16-09, 06:27 AM

Congrats! After I replaced a PSU for the first time ever myself some time ago, I felt like putting together my next PC all alone, too. However, I am not sure about plugging in mainboard, and the CPU on it. These are two parts I never did so far.

But that is future concern anyway. Right now I am happy with my rig, and do not eye an eventual buying of a new PC before next year. Too much money got and will get killed in house maintenance this year. And next year, in summer, hopefully the new Windows have been released and will have received the first set of vital bug fixes and treatements as well.

How much money did you spend?

Regarding SH3, wasn't it re-released at smile price short while ago - and with official permission by UBI: without StarForce?

Also take note of the fact that alternative installations of SH3 without installing SF are possible with the old discs as well (I'm not sure if that is the exe you refered to as "not to be mentioned here", since you want to install SF anyway). Just do not know if that option is Vista-compatible.

Letum · 05-16-09, 07:35 AM

CPUs are piss easy to install.
It is just a case of dropping it in a slot, putting the fan on top and securing it.

The mother board is a little more tricky, but so long as you are cautious, the
manual should allow someone with no former knowledge to achieve it.

The exe I referred to is, indeed, part of a starforceless install, but it still didn't
like vista as it does not disable all starforce features.

I have since got hold of a copy of SH3 with no starforce at all and it's running
great.

05-15-09, 08:08 AM	#62
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ah Bollocks! There seams to be no way to run SH3. Disaster! __________________

05-15-09, 08:12 AM	#63
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	What OS? Vista plays SH3(get one without SF). __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-15-09, 08:57 AM	#65
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I think SF is your issue here. Sorry to hear that sir. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-15-09, 09:09 AM	#66
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Well, I shall work it out one way or another. It's a shame I have to resort to things I would rather not do to get it working after I paid good money more than once for the product. __________________

05-15-09, 09:20 AM	#67
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I feel your pain bud. I have several games collecting dust that Vista does not play. SH3 being one of them with SF on it. Then again, I do not care to play them anyway. Well, I do know SH3 without SF will run on Vista. Keep an eye out, you might find a copy cheap eventually. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-15-09, 10:39 AM	#68
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	DRM strikes again. (really, I say that far to often) Is it not possible to run the Starforce drivers in a compatibility mode? If you can trick it into believing it's running on XP, who knows. Is the Starforce service even listed in Services? __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

05-15-09, 01:00 PM	#70
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Have you checked this thread? http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105144 __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-15-09, 01:09 PM	#71
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Oh yes, every word of it. I am currently in the process of acquiring a copy of SHII without starforce. Here's hoping that will fix it. __________________

05-15-09, 01:13 PM	#72
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 27,343 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	From what I understand it will work without SF. SF does not work with Vista so the game attempts to start and SF/SH3 do not communicate because SF is not there. Remove the SF and the need to communicate with SF and SH3 should run. SH4 does not have SF and I run it without issue on Vista 64. They should have named Star Force(SF) HB for Heart Burn. Let me know how it works out. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-16-09, 05:47 AM	#73
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I am back on the sea! Thanks again. __________________

05-16-09, 06:27 AM	#74
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Congrats! After I replaced a PSU for the first time ever myself some time ago, I felt like putting together my next PC all alone, too. However, I am not sure about plugging in mainboard, and the CPU on it. These are two parts I never did so far. But that is future concern anyway. Right now I am happy with my rig, and do not eye an eventual buying of a new PC before next year. Too much money got and will get killed in house maintenance this year. And next year, in summer, hopefully the new Windows have been released and will have received the first set of vital bug fixes and treatements as well. How much money did you spend? Regarding SH3, wasn't it re-released at smile price short while ago - and with official permission by UBI: without StarForce? Also take note of the fact that alternative installations of SH3 without installing SF are possible with the old discs as well (I'm not sure if that is the exe you refered to as "not to be mentioned here", since you want to install SF anyway). Just do not know if that option is Vista-compatible. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-16-09, 07:35 AM	#75
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	CPUs are piss easy to install. It is just a case of dropping it in a slot, putting the fan on top and securing it. The mother board is a little more tricky, but so long as you are cautious, the manual should allow someone with no former knowledge to achieve it. The exe I referred to is, indeed, part of a starforceless install, but it still didn't like vista as it does not disable all starforce features. I have since got hold of a copy of SH3 with no starforce at all and it's running great. __________________