US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

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Not really over until the next inauguration is held in private with the National Guard in attendance at precisely noon on January 20th swearing the oath on a Holy Bible held by Chief justice Roberts.

Guess who will be there?

The 20th Amendment moves the date of inauguration from March to "noon on the 20th ... is certain to schedule the swearing in for as close as possible to noon.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Whichever side you support, here is a pretty good article imho from the BBC News.



I'd recommend reading it in its entirety, especially the last section 'What happens if Donald Trump refuses to leave office?'

This sentence
"At that point, the Secret Service and the US military are free to treat the former president the way they do any unauthorised individual on government property."

Made my imagination go wild.

Trump activate his militia which are waiting for go-ahead signal.
Some general is on Trump side...

Of course this will NOT happen. Trump will leave the white House before Jan. 21. Not quietly though

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Trump activate his militia which are waiting for go-ahead signal.

Trump doesn't have a militia.

[mapuc]

^ This is correct.

I was thinking on these militia group who support Trump
I'm also thinking on the first debate they had, where Trump said something with
Stand down and Stand by.

Markus

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by August

Trump doesn't have a militia.

No?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I was thinking on these militia group who support Trump

That aint no militias just becasue they name themselves as that.


A militia in the US must have been called into existence by the governor of the state it is in (it cannot legitimise itself as a militia), and it must be under the command and follow orders of that governor, like a regular military unit. Only then it is a militia. Else it is just a radicalised gang of armed blokes, mobsters, or worse. And that is what Trump got.

[mapuc]

^I want argue with you, you are most likely right.

The word militia is something I got from the news here in Denmark and in Sweden.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That aint no militias just becasue they name themselves as that.

You're wrong again. Read up on what is called the Unorganized Militia.


As for any of them being Trumps, well show me the militia group that has declared subservience to him. We're not Germans. We don't follow leaders slavishly to our doom.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

You're wrong again. Read up on what is called the Unorganized Militia.


As for any of them being Trumps, well show me the militia group that has declared subservience to him. We're not Germans. We don't follow leaders slavishly to our doom.

I couldn't find anything where these militia group has declared subservience to Trump.

I have found an article about the largest militia group in USA Oath Keepers who refuse to accept the outcome of the election.
I wonder if this isn't the same.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1723323.html

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

^I want argue with you, you are most likely right.

The word militia is something I got from the news here in Denmark and in Sweden.

Markus

There is a strong right-radical scene in the Us that is formed of several armed mobs that label themselves as miltias, of course always claiming to be "patriots". They have in common a strong hostility towards the federal government, and a strong racist fundament.



But these are just armed gangs, no militas as defined by and embedded in the legal framework set up in the US. Like a bank robber with a flag and a weapon is not part of the US army just because he has also a flag and not just a weapon.



Trump referred to the Proud Boys, for example, who claim sometimes to be a milita. They are not, they are armed rightwing extremists and supremacists. There are black groups who armed up in reaction to the marching of pro Tump mobs, also sometimes describing themselves or naming themselves as "milita". Again, they are not.

[Jimbuna]

I think it best if I bundle much of the above up and say 'there is a potential for things turning ugly'

Somehow I don't think it will though.

[Jimbuna]

A judge in Pennsylvania has dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump campaign that sought to invalidate millions of mail-in votes in the battleground state.

Judge Matthew Brann said the suit, which rested on allegations of irregularities, was "without merit".

In the ruling Judge Brann wrote that the Trump campaign had tried to "disenfranchise almost seven million voters".

He said his "court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations".

"In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," the judge wrote.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-55030617

[Skybird]

"A Huge Catastrophe"[LINK]:

Heading into the election, Democrats dreamed it would go something like "Star Wars," with rebel forces blowing up the Death Star and celebrating in the streets as a blue wave swept them into power in Washington and state capitals.But President-elect Joe Biden's victory ended up looking more like the horror movie "Alien," with the last bedraggled survivor kicking the monster out of the airlock and then drifting off to an uncertain fate in deep, dark space. And wherever they ended up, there would probably be another alien.
Yes, Biden soundly defeated President Donald Trump — and there was even some partying in the streets — but the results were brutal down the ballot in ways that could haunt Democrats for years.
The party fumbled key Senate races, lost ground in the House and failed to capture state legislatures in a redistricting year despite having the political winds at its back, more money in its bank account and a hyper-activated grassroots movement that had spent four years preparing for this moment.
If this wasn't the year for Democrats to win big, then when?

The leftier and the more "progressive" they become, the more unelectable they will become. The in flux of poetnially left-leanbing Latin-American immigrants then will need to flush into Republican states first in order to to take electoral college counts over there. So, this weired and distorting system may delay the taking over of the US by the left - preventing it endlessly it will not, demographics are brutal in their message here.

Wether one likes the system delaying it, or not, depends on where one stands. The alternative to the Democrats is as desastrous and as unvotable. And the system itself nevertheless turns a transparent process into a fraudulent, rigged thing. Some may not care for that as long as it produces the outcomes they want. But I warn of that: because it is embracing arbitrary justice then. We alreadsy see where this leads, with the mad king in the high castle openly propagating double standards, fraud, and cheating.

A house divided and drowing in feud, will not stand.

[Mr Quatro]

I bet Putin knows something, uh?


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...&ocid=BingNews


Putin said

“We will work with anyone who has the confidence of the American people,” Putin said on Russian state TV Sunday. “But that confidence can only be given to a candidate whose victory has been recognized by the opposing party, or after the results are confirmed in a legitimate, legal way.”

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Trump referred to the Proud Boys, for example, who claim sometimes to be a milita. They are not, they are armed rightwing extremists and supremacists.

Whose president is a black man. Whose membership is multi ethnic. Again you don't know what you are talking about.