US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The first of the executions has been carried out.

Karma

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

See, that's the key to understanding the really strange effect Trump has on millions of people. He's most definitely not the worst leader, but in today's environment, people who are deranged by Trump don't see that, can't even hear that. They are rabid in their zeal. They don't spend 1 minute a month thinking about the real insidious nature of China or Russia's dictatorships and their effects on the stability of world peace. No sir, it's get their make-up on for the Trump is Evil theater or they don't leave the house.

I don't see that as a particularly good argument for Trump. He sucks but these guys suck more?

[Moonlight]

The only thing wrong with these executions is they are taking too bloody long to carry out, when the sentence is given they should have one appeal which should be inside of 6 months and if they lose it they should be executed on the next anniversary of the victims death, poetic justice me thinks. Your judicial system in the USA needs a bloody big overhaul on the timing of these executions me thinks.

Bernard, 40, was convicted of murder in 1999

This prick had over 20 years of life courtesy of your current justice system, that's a massive injustice to the victims families to start with.

Good Riddance you currant.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Maybe I do not focus on Trump's stabilising of world peace, but sure as hell I focus on the destabilising effect Trump has on the United States and its political and constitutional and legal system and its social community. And that is something that some people underestimate and that Trump's fans - and not just them - systematically fade out.

You people all act as if you were under a spell. Its a collective euphoric mass delusion. There are historic precedences for this kind of political mass delusion. Such things never end well.

Here's the thing though you speak of destabilization in the United States. But the reality here is nothing in my life has been destabilized, I dont know anyone whose life has been destabilized nor do I know anyone who knows of anyone whose life has been destabilized because of Trump.


I was born when John F. Kennedy was president and to the best of my recollection for the last 59 years of life. It's has never really mattered who the president was. Life went on. What recently changed is a pandemic has swept the globe causing sickness, death, and leaving a whole economies in ruin. And contrary to the popular belief of all the nancy boys looking for a daddy to fix it. This was not the fault of any one man nor can any one man fix it.


To get rid of that itchy irritated feeling go change your pad you'll feel better.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by u crank

Oh my. Try breathing into a paper bag.

Time to stop hyperventilating about Trump and look at the next guy.


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He's incapable. The same frantic wiring that makes Trump who he is exists in his obsessive detractors. It's some kind of human nature thing, I guess.

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I don't see that as a particularly good argument for Trump. He sucks but these guys suck more?

I am not making any arguement for Trump, no.

I'm merely pointing out the nuttiness of obsessing over him (especially to the umpteethn degree) when yes, there are much more serious issues.

"Steward, where is my dinner fork? This place setting is not right."

"Ma'am, I will go to the kitchen and fetch one. I apologize, I was distracted by the sound of an iceberg ripping through the hull."

[mapuc]

Biden won Trump beaten, was some of the headlines day after your election.

NO! Biden didn't beat Trump. It was against two opponent Trump got beaten

1. Corona
2. His behavior or lack of such

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

The only thing wrong with these executions is they are taking too bloody long to carry out, when the sentence is given they should have one appeal which should be inside of 6 months and if they lose it they should be executed on the next anniversary of the victims death, poetic justice me thinks. Your judicial system in the USA needs a bloody big overhaul on the timing of these executions me thinks.

This prick had over 20 years of life courtesy of your current justice system, that's a massive injustice to the victims families to start with.

Good Riddance you currant.

I got to disagree.

Not because I have anything against the death penalty, I don't. There are plenty of crimes that are worth execution and reading the rap sheets of these latest ones it's obvious they certainly deserve a much harder exit than the government is conducting. But, I oppose shortening the appeals process because I doubt the governments ability to only execute the truly guilty. They have enormous power and they haven't always acted altruistically.

You can set a wrongly convicted man free but you can't UN-execute him.

A long appeals process gives the maximum opportunity for new evidence to be uncovered, for witnesses to come forward, for other perpetrators to be identified etc, and it almost guarantees that several fresh sets of eyes will take a look at the case so that injustices can be corrected before it's too late.

[ET2SN]

What should the penalty be if you commit sedition?
Firing squad or a two year term in the Congress?

[August]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

What should the penalty be if you commit sedition?
Firing squad or a two year term in the Congress?

Some would say it depends on the politics.

[ET2SN]

Sedition isn't politics, sedition is wanting to destroy the nation.

[Buddahaid]

It's such a loaded term and always subject to the whims of who's in power.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Skybird

You people all act as if you were under a spell. Its a collective euphoric mass delusion.

I need to add: some people live blindly within their own country, and do not see and do not want to see what happens to dozens of millions of their so-called fellow citizens.

Well, that share is yours. We foreigners would not need to care and would have ignored you already - if your country would not lay so heavily on the rest of the world and affect everybody else, whether they want it or not.

You refuse to learn from historic examples in other countries, and that why you will once again live through them yourself.

[Mr Quatro]

The legal way to overturn the election has been blocked again by the Supreme Court

Obviously they didn't see any merit to the case

Monday is the last chance when the electoral college meets


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/u...ion-texas.html

Supreme Court Rejects Texas Suit Seeking to Overturn Election

The suit, filed directly in the Supreme Court, sought to bar Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin from casting their electoral votes for Joseph R. Biden Jr.

[Buddahaid]

Pretty much what I said when the suit was brought up. It's not Texas's business.

[Skybird]

(LINK) The Texas lawsuit shows Republicans went from fighting Democrats to fighting democracy (LINK)

How can a U.S. president govern, let alone solve major problems, if one of our political parties is openly hostile to our entire political system?
(...)
Too many Republicans have gone from being anti-Democratic — that is to say, hostile to the liberal political party — to being anti-democratic — that is to say, hostile to the liberal political system and antagonistic to the idea that the will of the people should prevail — and unwilling to accept political defeat.

This trend represents an existential threat to our system.

Be warned America. Not because of me saying so. But because of what is going on in your lands.