US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Mr Quatro]

The name Eric Ciaramella is starting to make the rounds on social media so I looked it up.

This article is two weeks old and no one on the democrats investigation side knows who the WB is


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...heyve_got.html

The whistleblower is now pretty well outed by investigative journalist Paul Sperry, and it's underwhelming. He's been identified as one Eric Ciaramella, 33, prep school grad, Yalie, Obama backwash, political operative, and fanatic Trump-hater. Hardly the Mister Probity concerned about national security that's been painted.

Sperry did the digging but pointed out that that the man's identity had been an open secret in the Beltway, with mainstream media doing their darnedest to keep his name from being attached to his rather spectacular charges.

Federal documents reveal that the 33-year-old Ciaramella, a registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House, previously worked with former Vice President Joe Biden and former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal critic of Trump who helped initiate the Russia "collusion" investigation of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

from the same article

The whistleblower filed his "urgent" report against Trump with the I.C. inspector general on Aug. 12, but it was not publicly released until Sept. 26.

Prior to filing, he had met with Schiff's Democratic staff for "guidance." At first, the California lawmaker denied the contacts, but later admitted that his office did, in fact, meet with the whistleblower early on.

Schiff's 40 second statement:

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Ah, I think I know of a similar phrase:


"Ignorance of the law is no excuse"

In that sense it implies deliberate avoidance of being informed and not just uninformed.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

In that sense it implies deliberate avoidance of being informed and not just uninformed.

Well it is a necessary part of the law. Without it anyone can just claim ignorance. "I didn't know it was against the law to hit her with a hammer!"


But it is not absolute. From Wikipedia:

However, some recent interpretations weaken this concept. Particularly in civil law, regard can be had to the difficulty of being informed of the existence of a law considering the lifestyle of the average citizen. On the penal side, the quality of the knowledge of the law can affect the evaluation of the animus nocendi or the mens rea, in that certain subjective conditions can weaken personal responsibility. The theme was widely discussed, also for political reasons, at the time of the Enlightenment and in the 18th century, given the heavy proportion of illiterate citizens in European countries (who would have some difficulties being aware of all the laws in a country). It was then argued that both the presumed knowledge and the heavily increasing corpus of national legislation were working in favor of lawyers rather than citizens.
In recent times, some authors have considered this concept as an extension of (or at least as analogous to) the other ancient concept (typical of criminal law) that no one can be punished under a law that was issued after the action was committed (non-retroactivity of the law. See ex post facto). This interpretation is however disputed, given that the matter would hierarchically more properly refer to a constitutional doctrine rather than to a civil or penal one.
Some modern criminal statutes contain language such as stipulating that the act must be done "knowingly and wittingly" or "with unlawful intent," or some similar language. However, this does not refer to ignorance of laws, but having criminal intent.

[mapuc]

Going a little off topic-even though it have to do with US politics

What's your comment on this ?

Under the law, students can't be penalized if their work is scientifically wrong as long as the reasoning is because of their religious beliefs.

https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-...1wmC--GluAxQKg

I say it's so wrong..keep those two things apart or do your best to keep them apart.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Going a little off topic-even though it have to do with US politics

What's your comment on this ?



https://local12.com/news/local/ohio-...1wmC--GluAxQKg

I say it's so wrong..keep those two things apart or do your best to keep them apart.

Markus

Its troubling, its worrying, it is totally wrong and anti-ratio and anti-reason and anti-science - and unfortunately it illustrates a general trend in the West in general andf the US in special: that hurt feelings, beliefs, religiously founded claims for special rights erode the common law, the public institutions, the opinion forming, the policy-making, the media:- everything, the whole Western civilization.


We are definetly on a path towards back into the medieval understandings of religion trumping everything. Its everywhere, if you only open the eyes, and Muhammeddans and Christian fundamentalists, political correct and fascist feminists, climate messiahs and politicla world-improvers march happily united in this crusade against the thinking part fo mankind. The little that is left of it. We already live in post-democratic, post-rational, post-humanistic times already, many still have not fully understood that. The compass points towards growijg extrmisnm, totlaiotarinaism, rleigous dogmatism, and a war against science as long as it does not support the officially wanted dogmata.


It salso kind of a back-.swiong of the pendulum. The left, the special rights activists for this and that, the redistributors, the always-relativizers, the absolute maximum moralist, have pushed it so far beyond the envelope that a counter reaction ot all their vcraziness and insantiy by which the haunt the world and Western society increaisngly, almost naturally must trigger an as-extremist swing-back.



Its also an illustration of the reason why I since alway say that any religion, no matter which one, must always, without exception, be kept on the shortest of lines, and under tightest control. Religions do not coexist, that is not their agenda and their purpose. Leave them a little bit of space to breath, and they immediately start to dream again of making it all their own and to dominate and to subjugate everybody and everyting and the whole public and communal sphere.


There should be pills providing immunization against religious infestation. And public religious practicing, no matter what cult and action, should be draconically punished. Its not the idela soltuion, but tzhe only onbe I could imagine to acchieve what mjust be achieved: freedom for everybody from the other's religious claims and demands. This includes symbols, clothings and items of elgious meaning an dheritage beign worn in public.



Keep what you believe in and what is between yourself and the idol you hold up, in the silence of your own cabin, and in your heart. If you demand to missionise and live it out in the public, it is no longer your personal and private thing but an attack on the freedom of all others. And if you say your relgion demands you to missionise, then yoiu are an conquereor and attacker. And then others have the right to fight you off in self-defence. Muhammeddans, Christians, Hindus, I dont care, I do not differentiate, it does not matter, its all the same evil, sick claim to have power over other people.



The Golden Rule - that is the only ethical-moral law I accept to comply with and to demand everybody else to comply with. And more than just that should not even be needed, if you think of it. If everybody, really everybody would live up to it, then this world would be a better place in no time than all religions could ever hope or claim to turn it into.



Well, more stupidity and intellectual self-mutilation being done, according to that article you linked. Fits perfectly into our modern present, I would say.

[Buddahaid]

[August]

The Democrats are leading us down a road that could destroy our Republic.

Attorney General Barr accuses the left of systemic 'sabotage' of Trump administration

“I deeply admire the American presidency as a political and constitutional institution,” he began. “Unfortunately over the past several decades, we have seen a steady encroachment on executive authority by the other branches of the government.”
Barr said the “avalanche of subpoenas” and constant attempt to derail appointments by the Trump administration have only served to “incapacitate” the executive branch.
“Immediately after President Trump won the election, opponents inaugurated what they called the ‘resistance’ and they rallied around an explicit strategy of using every tool and maneuver to sabotage the functioning of the executive branch and his administration.”
“The cost of this constant harassment is real,” he continued.
Bar likened the language used by Trump’s opponents to that of groups who attempt to overthrow militant rule of seized governments.
“Now resistance is the language used to describe insurgency against rule imposed by an occupying military power. It obviously connotes that the government is not legitimate. This is a very dangerous and, indeed, incendiary notation to import into the politics of a democratic republic.”
He continued: “They essentially see themselves engaged in a war to cripple, by any means necessary, a duly elected government.”
Barr claimed that while Trump’s presidency falls outside the norm of previous administrations, he was elected with the public fully aware of this.
“The fact is, that, yes, while the president has certainly thrown out the traditional beltway playbook and punctilio, he was upfront about what he was going to do and the people decided that he was going to serve as president."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/att...temic-sabotage

[VipertheSniper]

you know the thing is we've now had 2 or I guess 3 governments in Austria which had a party in it (Freedom party) despised by the left part of the political spectrum and the aftermath of the corruption of the first/second is still ongoing and the 3rd got blown up by corruption as well and the jargon used was pretty much the same and in hindsight it seems for good reason.

[Catfish]

Hey when such trustworthy companies like "Fox News" and "The American Thinker" tell it, it must be true.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hey when such trustworthy companies like "Fox News" and "The American Thinker" tell it, it must be true.

Shut it you commie pinko liberal!

 

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hey when such trustworthy companies like "Fox News" and "The American Thinker" tell it, it must be true.

I don't think it matters who tells it. What matters is whether it is true or not. That is the case you should be making. Can you make it?

[mapuc]

Only one simple question

What is he doing ?

Saw a clip from yesterdays hearing when Mr. Trump twitted against one of the witness(can't remember her name-only that she have been an ambassador in Ukraine)while see gave her testimony.

So what is he doing ?

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Only one simple question

What is he doing ?

Saw a clip from yesterdays hearing when Mr. Trump twitted against one of the witness(can't remember her name-only that she have been an ambassador in Ukraine)while see gave her testimony.

So what is he doing ?

Markus

He does what he does best: playing it feculent, malicious, and nasty. Neither rules or conventions, nor laws and obligations apply to him, for his minions humorously call him a "president"!" Rotten matter creates smelly scents, so do not be surprised anymore, we all know by now what dirt he is made of in his inside. Lil' boy's parents must have all-embracingly failed in trying to teach him even the absolute minimums of manners, style and behaviour. Or they just gave up in despair, I don't know.

Its difficult to think of this creature without wanting to fall back to extremely juvenile swear-words. The brazeness in person. What a looser by character. What a fail of a human being. I hold every dog's vomits in higher esteem.

[August]

Originally Posted by u crank

I don't think it matters who tells it. What matters is whether it is true or not. That is the case you should be making. Can you make it?

Of course they can't because they know that it is true.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Its difficult to think of this creature without wanting to fall back to extremely juvenile swear-words. The brazeness in person. What a looser by character. What a fail of a human being. I hold every dog's vomits in higher esteem.

You know while it's kinda fun to watch you fill your soul with such burning hatred of the Bad Orange Man, I worry that if all that pent up, impotent rage doesn't have an outlet you might give yourself an aneurysm dude. Maybe you should take up knitting or something.