US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mapuc

It's breaking news here in Denmark.

It looks like Mr. Trump have done something he shouldn't have done and I understand the Dem are starting some investigation which could lead to an impeachment against Trump.

Even here in Denmark and Sweden it is illegal to do, what Trump are accused to have done.

Since Trump entered the oval office it looked like it was the Dem only goal to get Trump impeached...and now it seems like they may got what they want.

Markus

Trump impeachment has been 'breaking news' ever since he was elected.
Until it happens (and if), don't believe a word of it.

[August]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Trump impeachment has been 'breaking news' ever since he was elected.
Until it happens (and if), don't believe a word of it.

Sound advice. I'll bet this ends up doing far more damage to the Biden and the Dems than it does to Trump.

[Dowly]

[JU_88]

"It does not mean automatic removal from office and is only the first step of the proceedings."


So yeah, we'll see what happens, but i doubt we will have a conclusion this year.
And remember Bill Clinton.

[Mr Quatro]

The so called "whistle blower" didn't even personally witness the conversation, but just heard about it through a third party.

Why don't they investigate VP Biden getting the investigator fired for looking into his son's business in the Ukraine?

[Skybird]

Because distracting to another wrong does not cure the original wrong. Thats the main game being played these days.

Also, the suspect is a socalled president. Ranks more important.

If true, what Trump there did is mobster methods. Not that anyone should be surprised.


The lefter-than left wing in the Democratic party and the righter than right wing in the Republican party are pleased: the polarization between the camps will deepen even further.

[MaDef]

Are you kids really this naive?

There is not a country out there that gives money/aid to other countries without strings attached.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Are you kids really this naive?

There is not a country out there that gives money/aid to other countries without strings attached.

There you go.

And especially to countries as corrupt as Ukraine.

[Bilge_Rat]

transcript is out, you can read it here:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-conten...ied09.2019.pdf

only 5 pages long and nothing really to see.

[em2nought]

How inconvenient to have banned plastic straws when they are the only thing you can grasp at.

[Bilge_Rat]

not sure where the Dems are going with this.

I read the transcript and see a President asking a foreign leader to investigate a case of potential corruption by a U.S. politician. Maybe shady or unethical, but not illegal and nothing we did not really know or suspect about Trump. This will have no impact on his base or the GOP.

OTOH keeping this story alive just keeps reminding voters that Biden may have been involved in unethical, maybe corrupt behavior. I was not even aware of the Hunter Biden - Ukraine -China conection and I follow U.S. politics pretty closely. You would have to be pretty naive to think the Chinese and Ukrainian would have been paying Hunter Biden millions of dollars if he was not the Vice-President's son.

[Bilge_Rat]

A longer read, but this is the legal opinion from the DOJ which concluded that the "whistleblower" complaint did not have to be given to Congress.

https://www.justice.gov/olc/file/1204586/download

notice the Following interesting tidbits:

On August 12, 2019, the Office of the ICIG received a complaint purporting to invoke this provision. The complainant alleged that he or she had heard reports from “White House officials” that, in the course of a routine diplomatic communication between the President and a foreign leader, the President had made statements that the complainant viewed as seeking to pressure that leader to take an official action to help the President’s 2020 re-election campaign. The complainant described this communication as arising during a scheduled call with the foreign leader that, consistent with usual practice, was monitored by a number of U.S. officials. Having heard about the President’s reported statements, the complainant expressed an intent to report this information to the intelligence committees.

and this:

Although the ICIG’s preliminary review found “some indicia of an arguable political bias on the part of the Complainant in favor of a rival political candidate,” the ICIG concluded that the complaint’s allegations nonetheless appeared credible.

[Skybird]

The behavior shown in the telephone protocol by both politicians, Trampel and Selenski, is disgusting. The flattery of the Ukrainian and the exaggerated self-praise of the American are simply embarrassing. Two losers in office. Pfui-bah.

The question also is whether the protocol is complete.

[Rockstar]

Word gets out about shady ties with Ukraine during campaign season. Whats needed now is a good distraction like impeachment procedings!

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Word gets out about shady ties with Ukraine during campaign season. Whats needed now is a good distraction like impeachment procedings!

Which has been bubblingly on the back burner ever since Trump took office ...

The democrats were just waiting for substance to push it in front of the American people that they represent knowing full well that they can't win a general election unless they can get rid of Trump first.

This will backfire and I predict that Obama/Biden did something together so shady that it will come out right before the election sinking Joe Biden to become the POTUS.