[REL] Ail mods: Smoke, Clouds, Moon, DeckWave - Page 8

The General · 03-29-10, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

a week long ban isnt the end of the world even thou i admit it is a PITA as it is intended to be.

I got banged-away for all time! 30 days and I didn't even do anything illegal! I was being a Jackass, but atleast it was entertaining Tomfoolery

A week is a slap on the wrist, a mild disturbance by comparison

The CRIME:

Entertainment provided by yours-truly during the build-up to realease of SH5:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=161181

What's funny is; no one voted for the 3rd option, which happened to be the truth!

Chromius · 03-29-10, 02:58 PM

Yes, I vote for letting him out of the Brig also.

So how do I pull my cloud textures out of REX and use them in SH5, Tutorial please.

It would be nice if we REX users had a cloud switcher utility.

I can post screenshots of my receipts.

I used to take pics of my outside clouds just to match up the clouds that day for whatever flight in FSX (local ga) using REX with ASA. I am so bad now, I doubt I could fly FSX w/o the live weather.

edit: If only sims started adding plug in support for something like ASA, like Bob/Sow. It would always be worth the extra money to pay for plug-in live weather, or historical weather.

urfisch · 03-29-10, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SubV

@Webster

Please, remove ban from Ailantd. He's a really talented man, without modders like him the SH5 is doomed.

Besides that, he already removed any copyrighted stuff from his mods.

yapp

yapp, i agree...please get him out of the brigg...

Flopper · 03-29-10, 03:13 PM

I didn't know a cloud texture could be copyrighted. Sounds dumb. How bout the hue on that blue sky... did they get that too?

Nordmann · 03-29-10, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Flopper

I didn't know a cloud texture could be copyrighted. Sounds dumb. How bout the hue on that blue sky... did they get that too?

I suppose a developer sat at his computer for several weeks putting those textures together, which are unlike any other cloud textures in existence (note, they probably bought them from a third party in the first place), hence it is vital that they are not released unless large sums of money change hands.

Anyway, I think the point has been proven. Now, can we have him back please? He has more mods to make!

ddrgn · 03-29-10, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nordmann

I suppose a developer sat at his computer for several weeks putting those textures together, which are unlike any other cloud textures in existence (note, they probably bought them from a third party in the first place), hence it is vital that they are not released unless large sums of money change hands.

Anyway, I think the point has been proven. Now, can we have him back please? He has more mods to make!

Bring him back this serves no one.

ironkross · 03-29-10, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Webster

the images that were pirated are no longer being used and i have put his website link back into his first post for him.

Thanks for putting the link back up. I think this is a fair decision in that everyone still has access to Ail mods w/o the copyrighted material, and Ailantd gets his account back in 4-5 days.
BTW the new Ail clouds look great.

Westbroek · 03-29-10, 05:33 PM

I don't see any reason for this to be a divisive issue. What it comes down to is that copyright law (at least in the US, I'm not familiar with international laws) is a serious issue that's compounded by a lot of difficult to understand prohibitions/exceptions.
In this instance, particularly with the rights holder making a direct request, it was in subsim's best interest to play it safe and make it clear to all its members that copyright infringement is an area they will not even begin to consider pushing the limits of.
I love Ail's mods, am using several of them (not the old clouds anymore), and look forward to seeing him continue to push the limits of what SH5 can do. He'll be back soon and hopefully he'll know that we all still love him and his work.

A small slap on the wrist for a modder is far better than risking lawsuits all around.

Nordmann · 03-29-10, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westbroek

A small slap on the wrist for a modder is far better than risking lawsuits all around.

Who are they going to sue? You? Me? Neal? Everyone else in this thread? Ha! I'd like to see them try! *Grabs popcorn, and awaits their impending humiliation*

Westbroek · 03-29-10, 06:12 PM

Right, like I said, I'm not familiar with international practices, but here in America, everybody sue f-ing everybody. It's the school of Tom Cruise over here so it's open season for the litigious types and it's always better safe than sorry.

03-29-10, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nordmann

Who are they going to sue? You? Me? Neal? Everyone else in this thread? Ha! I'd like to see them try! *Grabs popcorn, and awaits their impending humiliation*

After being duely notified by REX's copyright holders that copyrighted material was being distributed through SUBSIM and demanded we make all reasonable efforts to see that this practice be stopped, then yes neal is a party to any further distribution of it after having been duely notified and yes he is on the hook for the consequences of failure to act.

whats fair or whats right or wrong has nothing to do with the law and legal liabilities.

they will take action against neal and this site as well as Ail and his website if the matter isnt resolved otherwise.

anyway i wont comment on this any longer since common sense tells you further discussion of the legalities is pointless.

BTW Ail's ban has been lifted

ironkross · 03-29-10, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Webster

After being duely notified by REX's copyright holders that copyrighted material was being distributed through SUBSIM and demanded we make all reasonable efforts to see that this practice be stopped, then yes neal is a party to any further distribution of it after having been duely notified and yes he is on the hook for the consequences of failure to act.

whats fair or whats right or wrong has nothing to do with the law and legal liabilities.

they will take action against neal and this site as well as Ail and his website if the matter isnt resolved otherwise.

anyway i wont comment on this any longer since common sense tells you further discussion of the legalities is pointless.

BTW Ail's ban has been lifted

Yay!

Good call, really, no harm no foul!

Ailantd · 03-30-10, 09:47 AM

Hello everyone.

In first place I apologize to all those who have feel aggrieved by the use of protected material in earlier versions of Ailclouds.

As someone stated before while I was banned I had released a new enhanced Ailcloud version, that also removed all copyrighted material in it. I encourage all you to update to that version. It can be downloaded from http://shmods.ailantd.com/index.php?section=AilClouds

About what happen let me clarify some points about the reasons for using that copy material:

1. In my country is not a crime to use copyrighted material for personal use if there is no profit.

2. I think the world of mods is a lot more closer to personal use than comercial use.

3. Rex is composed of hundreds of high resolution textures, from sky and sea plus a engine to manage all them compatible with FSX. I used 4 textures taken from the configuration html documents (less than 30% of Ailcloud 2.0), which were not even the high resolution textures used in Rex engine. Maby as stated in Ailcloud 2.0 txt file someone could think that I was using too much form rex or even whole rex, my mistake.

4. I advised the use of Rex in the txt as I don' t want credit that is not mine.

5. I can´t see how the use of these 4 textures can in anyway undermine Rex sales as using Ailclouds in FSX has no sense at all. Never I would distributed these material if it really could harm Rex in anyway. Rex is a fantastic environmet addon for FSX and deserve all my respect.

6. I alwais stated in any case I had planed to remov that textures as soon as I could as I prefeer not use others material when possible, copyrighted or not.

7. All people here are using copyright material one way or another everyday, from sounds mods, poster mods, radio mods... even all SH5 files are uby copyrighted material. All we are walking on the edge of the legality of some countries here.

8. Anyway I understand that even that 4 low resolution textures from REX are previosly hard worked by someone and if the owner ask not to use them, I have no problem with that. I removed them as soon as they ask for it (as I had planed anyway) and even can understant the temporal ban in the forum.

In end place I apologize again to all those who have feel aggrieved by the use of protected material in earlier versions of Ailclouds.

I would prefer that this thread do not continue to disscuss about this matter. Everyone have a different opinion about it and even every country has a different law about it. To discuss this has no point at all as previoulsy stated by Webster.

03-30-10, 11:49 AM

at Ail's request this thread has been closed to put this copyright issue to rest.

when he makes his new mods thread please do not comment or bring up the subject of the copyright issue in that new thread.

03-29-10, 02:58 PM	#107
Chromius Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 43 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	Yes, I vote for letting him out of the Brig also. So how do I pull my cloud textures out of REX and use them in SH5, Tutorial please. It would be nice if we REX users had a cloud switcher utility. I can post screenshots of my receipts. I used to take pics of my outside clouds just to match up the clouds that day for whatever flight in FSX (local ga) using REX with ASA. I am so bad now, I doubt I could fly FSX w/o the live weather. edit: If only sims started adding plug in support for something like ASA, like Bob/Sow. It would always be worth the extra money to pay for plug-in live weather, or historical weather. Last edited by Chromius; 03-29-10 at 03:12 PM.

03-29-10, 03:13 PM	#109
Flopper Weps Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Asheville, NC, USA Posts: 356 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	I didn't know a cloud texture could be copyrighted. Sounds dumb. How bout the hue on that blue sky... did they get that too? __________________

03-30-10, 09:47 AM	#118
Ailantd Bosun Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ganimedes Posts: 64 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hello everyone. In first place I apologize to all those who have feel aggrieved by the use of protected material in earlier versions of Ailclouds. As someone stated before while I was banned I had released a new enhanced Ailcloud version, that also removed all copyrighted material in it. I encourage all you to update to that version. It can be downloaded from http://shmods.ailantd.com/index.php?section=AilClouds About what happen let me clarify some points about the reasons for using that copy material: 1. In my country is not a crime to use copyrighted material for personal use if there is no profit. 2. I think the world of mods is a lot more closer to personal use than comercial use. 3. Rex is composed of hundreds of high resolution textures, from sky and sea plus a engine to manage all them compatible with FSX. I used 4 textures taken from the configuration html documents (less than 30% of Ailcloud 2.0), which were not even the high resolution textures used in Rex engine. Maby as stated in Ailcloud 2.0 txt file someone could think that I was using too much form rex or even whole rex, my mistake. 4. I advised the use of Rex in the txt as I don' t want credit that is not mine. 5. I can´t see how the use of these 4 textures can in anyway undermine Rex sales as using Ailclouds in FSX has no sense at all. Never I would distributed these material if it really could harm Rex in anyway. Rex is a fantastic environmet addon for FSX and deserve all my respect. 6. I alwais stated in any case I had planed to remov that textures as soon as I could as I prefeer not use others material when possible, copyrighted or not. 7. All people here are using copyright material one way or another everyday, from sounds mods, poster mods, radio mods... even all SH5 files are uby copyrighted material. All we are walking on the edge of the legality of some countries here. 8. Anyway I understand that even that 4 low resolution textures from REX are previosly hard worked by someone and if the owner ask not to use them, I have no problem with that. I removed them as soon as they ask for it (as I had planed anyway) and even can understant the temporal ban in the forum. In end place I apologize again to all those who have feel aggrieved by the use of protected material in earlier versions of Ailclouds. I would prefer that this thread do not continue to disscuss about this matter. Everyone have a different opinion about it and even every country has a different law about it. To discuss this has no point at all as previoulsy stated by Webster. __________________ Ailantd www.Ailantd.com

03-29-10, 05:33 PM	#113
Westbroek Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: LA Posts: 256 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	I don't see any reason for this to be a divisive issue. What it comes down to is that copyright law (at least in the US, I'm not familiar with international laws) is a serious issue that's compounded by a lot of difficult to understand prohibitions/exceptions. In this instance, particularly with the rights holder making a direct request, it was in subsim's best interest to play it safe and make it clear to all its members that copyright infringement is an area they will not even begin to consider pushing the limits of. I love Ail's mods, am using several of them (not the old clouds anymore), and look forward to seeing him continue to push the limits of what SH5 can do. He'll be back soon and hopefully he'll know that we all still love him and his work. A small slap on the wrist for a modder is far better than risking lawsuits all around.

03-29-10, 06:12 PM	#115
Westbroek Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: LA Posts: 256 Downloads: 121 Uploads: 0	Right, like I said, I'm not familiar with international practices, but here in America, everybody sue f-ing everybody. It's the school of Tom Cruise over here so it's open season for the litigious types and it's always better safe than sorry.

03-30-10, 11:49 AM	#119
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	at Ail's request this thread has been closed to put this copyright issue to rest. when he makes his new mods thread please do not comment or bring up the subject of the copyright issue in that new thread.