US Politics Thread 2021-24

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

I guess we have to ask ourselves, "would you have liked to have been aborted?"

"The dead only know one thing, its better to be alive"

So you advocate life begins with active brainwaves (apparently). I'm confident in assuming fetuses don't have those thoughts/feelings.

[Otto Harkaman]

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

I didn't say anything like that. I asked you, if you would have liked to have been aborted?

Which about the biggest 'beside the point' you could have brought up. It would be kinda like' Hey, Otto, would you have preferred to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth?'

[mapuc]

Thinking about this article Arlo posted as a response to one of my comments.

Soon there's midterm elections in the United States.

If some of these Texan politicians lose against politicians who are pro-abortion will this law then be removed or changed ?

Here in Denmark or Sweden a law stays even if the architect behind it lose the election.

Markus

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Thinking about this article Arlo posted as a response to one of my comments.

Soon there's midterm elections in the United States.

If some of these Texan politicians lose against politicians who are pro-abortion will this law then be removed or changed ?

Here in Denmark or Sweden a law stays even if the architect behind it lose the election.

Markus

Only way it happens is if the entire legislature flips to a simple majority who oppose it, introduce a repeal, and overcome a veto from the governor by 2/3 majority from each chamber of the legislature. The TX governor has a line item veto power, btw.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If some of these Texan politicians lose against politicians who are pro-abortion ...

Nobody is pro-abortion. Pro-choice may be the term you want to use.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Roe v. Wade is actually bad case law anyway. There is no right to privacy associated with abortion in the Constitution, yet that's what SCOTUS claimed as the basis for their ruling.

I'll just throw this out from Cornell Law School explaining the court's decision.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitu...ion-1/abortion

I hear that this rat on your neighbor clause tip line for the Texas law is being slammed with fake tips making it useless.

[Otto Harkaman]

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

I didn't say anything like that. I asked you, if you would have liked to have been aborted?

That quesiton only makes sense when the use of the term "you/me/I" make sense. And for that a brain with sufficient complexity to form mind, awareness, ego, personality etc are precondition.

Where there is no "you", there is no self that can like or dislike anything. It does not exist. And a self, in the widest meaning of the term cannot form up without bio-material structures needed for maintaining it being in place.

A beating heart means nothing. Its as much a human as this already is a living frog:


Its he brain that makes all what we describe as "human". Not the heart - the brain. Cerebrum. Diencephalon. Brain stem. Cerebellum. Basal ganglia. Limbic system.

Without this, with such brain structures not yet existent or already being dead, what you have is not a human, but is reflex-bound flesh. Not even instinct-driven: instincts demand the existence of a sufficiently complex brain as well.


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There is an implication in that medieval Texas law that is not ebign mentione dhere. That si the bounty.-hunting that it propagates, and the defamation encorzagement. That even taxi drivers who drive a women that meets a doctor doing abpertions can get hunted down andmamde paying - without the driver needing to know anything. Staff in hpsiutals in texas is nreprted to be concenred for beign held liable for abportions in their clinbis even if they have nothign to do with it.


It turns everybody into a potential spy on others, and a bounty hunter. Great. This way mistrust gets sown and social cohesion get hollowed out from inside, every dictatorship works like this.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Would you have preferred to be born with a silver spoon in your mouth or been aborted?

Doubling up 'beside-the-points' is not an act of 'cancelling out' the actual beside-the-points. You aren't good at this Otto. How about this? If your sister or daughter was forced by law to carry her pregnancy full term at the age of 12 (and, legally, that's rape) and died in childbirth would you simply be glad because it wasn't you?

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That quesiton only makes sense when the use of the term "you/me/I" make sense. And for that a brain with sufficient complexity to form mind, awareness, ego, personality etc are precondition.

<snip>

Its he brain that all is about. Not the heart - the brain. Cerebrum. Diencephalon. Brain stem. Cerebellum. Basal ganglia. Limbic system.


Without this, what you have is not a human, but reflex-bound flesh. Not even instinct-driven: instincts demand the existence of a sufficiently complex brain as well.

Tried that. He's having none of it (guessing because he think's he has a great point).

[Otto Harkaman]

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Absolutely, I hate my sister, I would hope it was extremely painful and lasted a long time.

So I am truthful, how about you, would you have liked to have been aborted?

You're losing 'compassion' legitimacy, bro.

I would never have known it, had I been. If my mother had not been given a choice... I would have been.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Only way it happens is if the entire legislature flips to a simple majority who oppose it, introduce a repeal, and overcome a veto from the governor by 2/3 majority from each chamber of the legislature. The TX governor has a line item veto power, btw.

A single item law can't be 'line itemed.'

[Otto Harkaman]