Your Ideal Doomsday Survival Situation/Prepper Thread - Page 26

Skybird · 06-18-22, 04:49 AM

With many constructions, we affect climate and environment, and with the activity from these constructions.

Its way more complex and interactive than you simplify it here. The climate always has chnaged, it never stayed the same. But somethign got a strong bias here, and at the direction of that bias it has tremedously accelerated to move. The bias is caused by us, by our sheer numbers of people.

A fanfare, please: Tätärätäää:
"We are too many!" (tm)

"Was kümmert uns die Zukunft,
wir beichten im Gebet:
Verzeih' mir meine Habgier,
denn mein ist der Planet!"

- Udo Jürgens, refering to Gen 1, 26-28. (What do we care about the future,/we confess in prayer:/Forgive me my greed,/for mine is the planet!)

But I admit civilizations long before or parrallel to the Christian one already walked into that trap, too, by allowing to become "too many", or staying in unsuitable places too long.

Rockstar · 06-18-22, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

With many constructions, we affect climate and environment, and with the activity from these constructions.

Its way more complex and interactive than you simplify it here. The climate always has chnaged, it never stayed the same. But somethign got a strong bias here, and at the direction of that bias it has tremedously accelerated to move. The bias is caused by us, by our sheer numbers of people.

A fanfare, please: Tätärätäää:
"We are too many!" (tm)

"Was kümmert uns die Zukunft,
wir beichten im Gebet:
Verzeih' mir meine Habgier,
denn mein ist der Planet!"

- Udo Jürgens, refering to Gen 1, 26-28. (What do we care about the future,/we confess in prayer:/Forgive me my greed,/for mine is the planet!)

But I admit civilizations long before or parrallel to the Christian one already walked into that trap, too, by allowing to become "too many", or staying in unsuitable places too long.

Sorry didn’t mean imply climate doesn’t change. It was directed at climate change politics and band wagon activists.

The jet stream is a major influence on blocking highs and the arctic is said to have a major influence on the jet stream, and Pacific deep warm water currents are having an effect on the arctic. And nobody, except of course climate change politics and its believers really knows for sure why this going on. But one thing is for certain it’s not the first time a major change in weather patterns has affected the globe and whole civilizations.

Skybird · 06-18-22, 07:10 AM

Well, me too. I agree with the diagnosis that climate becomes warmer, and that humans significantly contribute to that effect by accelerating it. But i disagree wiht many of the conclusions drawn from that. I think it cannot be reversed by human action and in short time. What would be needed is to adapt (to living on a much warmer planet). But this I cannot see being done, instead: reality denial and the attempt to push back time by a hundred years. Also: massive abuse of ecology topics for implementing social engineering and wealth redistribution schemes and left-leaning socialist, even openly Marxist community models. A fundamental hijack of science, and a collective sanctionising and censoring of every scientist disagreeing with this "mainstream dogma". I disagree with the naive idea of that deindustrialisation and destroying technology would make the world better. But many seem to believe exactly this. I think without technology we are doomed to go extinct, and that technology, stemming from our human intellect our species has formed out, is part and self-expression of our species' biological evolution. Rejecting technology means rejecting evolution. However, I am against uncritical and unreflected naive excessive over-use of technology. Every coin has two sides.

And a side rim.

Rockstar · 06-19-22, 01:12 PM

I’ve never really bit down hard on the climate change bandwagon hook. In fact once I saw it as a political bandwagon I let go and swam away.

Too many other religious texts prove what mankind does trying to explain the natural world around him. No matter the religion they tend to blame themselves. Blood moon? Be warned you did something wrong. Solar Eclipse? It’s your fault the gods are angry. Floods? You sinner! Hurricanes, Volcanoes, Lightening, they write it’s something we must have done to cause it. Enter the Climate Change religion.

So here we have people living in a desert and the water is drying up. And almost immediately out come the faithful pointing fingers accusing man for causing this disaster which has befallen them. When after some of my own inquiry I come to find out Arctic ice sheets, or the lack thereof, is thought to affect the location of the Jet Stream which in turn can lock in a blocking high pressure system which can dramatically reduce any chance of precipitation.

Northern ice sheets and glaciers, or the lack thereof, in and around Arctic and The land of the Midnight Sun can not only affect the location of the Jet stream it can cause earth to wobble which can also affect climate. Now the religious faithful can lament the cause of arctic and Greenland ice melt is caused by man. That’s fine they can believe what they want to believe. As for me, I’m going with the idea of something called Mantle Plumes. Nature will take its course and the only thing is to get on your knees and pray because you can’t stop it.

Rockstar · 07-21-22, 01:50 PM

Only drawback I can see to this system is the powder has a three year shelf life.

Skybird · 07-21-22, 03:48 PM

Nice if talking about biological con tamination. But how is it with chemical contamination? Pesticides, herbicides, artificial fertilizers from agriculture, urban fecal wastewater, industrial wastewater contaminated with heavy metals, gasoline, Diesel, even flight kerosin etc? The outdoor water cleaners I know are not suitable for this, but only for the filtration of protozoa, bacteria, and the deactivation of viruses. Not for chemical contamination.

Rockstar · 07-21-22, 04:42 PM

Well there’s that too

. But to clarify I’m talking about survival situations and hopefully not long term either. As a general rule of thumb depending on the persons health and activity the human body cannot go with out water for not much more than three days. And considering the consequences of not having any water at all. I’ll take my chances with almost any good water filtration system.

Without water you begin to lack of energy, develop headaches, dizziness and confusion. Then the possibility of heatstroke and heat cramps. Stiff joints that may eventually stick and not work properly. Raised or otherwise unregulated body temperature. Then the ever so pleasant thought of swelling in the brain, sharp changes in blood pressure, seizures and eventually death.

For me it all boils down to the lessor of two evils.

mapuc · 07-21-22, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

considering the consequences of not having any water at all. I’ll take my chances with almost any good water filtration system.

For me it all boils down to the lessor of two evils.

This comment made me remember an episode with Bear Grylls.

In this episode he take some elephant poop up and then he squeeze the liquid out of this elephant poop

the video

Markus

Skybird · 07-21-22, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Well there’s that too

. But to clarify I’m talking about survival situations and hopefully not long term either. As a general rule of thumb depending on the persons health and activity the human body cannot go with out water for not much more than three days. And considering the consequences of not having any water at all. I’ll take my chances with almost any good water filtration system.

Without water you begin to lack of energy, develop headaches, dizziness and confusion. Then the possibility of heatstroke and heat cramps. Stiff joints that may eventually stick and not work properly. Raised or otherwise unregulated body temperature. Then the ever so pleasant thought of swelling in the brain, sharp changes in blood pressure, seizures and eventually death.

For me it all boils down to the lessor of two evils.

Maybe you have another perspective because you live in the US and in a huge natural reserve, I dont know. But here in Germany practically every flowing surface water and lake that touches a city, agricultural fields, industrial plants, is grey water only. The use of filtration systems only filtering biological organisms must be warned against.

If it would be so easy to clean such water to a degree that humans can consume it safely, we would not spend billions in building ever more complicated water purifying plants in our cities.

And these report huge problems to clean the water of all the new toxines we add to it.

And even in the wilderness of countries like Sweden, Finland, Canada, Russia, you must check that the small stream of water you found maybe has not passed a mine one or two kilometers before - where maybe cyanides and other highly toxic agents may still persist and leak into the ground and water even if the mine has been shut down.

I would take the risk in a country like Sweden before I would take the risk in Germany. But even there never without checking the map carefully what lies upstream. Or lied there in the past.

BTW that is also common outdoor survival advice. Its been given like this in many instructional videos and texts.

Every river passing a city, settlement, industrial plant, farm, fields and so forth, must be considered as grey water. At least over here.

If at all possible, catch rain and clean that further. Even the rain is not as clean as many people seem to believe (thats why formally it is legally prohibited in Germany to collect rain for the pourpsoe of using it as your drinkling water). The German prohibition is probbaly exaggerated, yes - but "clean" rain water is not. Just cleaner than maybe what flows in the river over there. Rain washes all the air polution of industrial and settlement centres out of the air - guess where all the toxic chemical stuff then is?!

Just use some common sense. Do not trust purifiers blindly, and be aware they are not meant to clean water of chemical intoxications, only biological ones. More I do not mean to say. If handled correctly, it seems biological threats can be quite reliably controlled indeed.

Rockstar · 07-21-22, 06:09 PM

I don’t know if anyone has touched on this yet. But I remember having to inspect the contents of survival gear aboard ships. In the early days cases contained canned water. A little later production switched to water packs much like those Capri-Sun juice packs. Provided there was no damage both had extremely long shelf life.

If contamination is as bad as you say. I suppose one could plan to store enough water for a certain length of time based on minimum daily requirements for a set number of people. Just like those ships survival rafts and lifeboats do. We’re not talking about quenching a thirst after plowing the lower 40 just what’s needed to survive.

Skybird · 07-21-22, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I don’t know if anyone has touched on this yet. But I remember having to inspect the contents of survival gear aboard ships. In the early days cases contained canned water. A little later production switched to water packs much like those Capri-Sun juice packs. Provided there was no damage both had extremely long shelf life.

If contamination is as bad as you say. I suppose one could plan to store enough water for a certain length of time based on minimum daily requirements for a set number of people. Just like those ships survival rafts and lifeboats do. We’re not talking about quenching a thirst after plowing the lower 40 just what’s needed to survive.

I know what you mean, tbe caprisun-like packs. I have a few of them, but for testing only. But i also have stored crates with bottled water, always a minimum of 120l. Sparkling water, in glass bottles. Cheap, easy. Plus protective water bags if i have time to prepare, 10x 20l. Plus several crates of bottled beer, wine...

People underestimate the meaning of blackouts for water supplies, and flushing toilets. If the blackout lasts on, both are gone sooner or later, and if it lasts for some days, pipes and purifying plants need to be cleaned and desinfected, purifyer plants need to rebuilt major parts of their systems. Electricity may be back after a week - but water can be down for weeks to come.

Jeff-Groves · 07-21-22, 06:48 PM

If your near a stream dig a Coyote well.
Then distill the water. It's pretty simple to make a portable distiller.
If your in a situation where a fire is out of the question?
Perfectly clean water is down the list of what's gonna kill you!

em2nought · 07-21-22, 09:29 PM

I'm looking forward to cutting into my friend's shed floor when I get back to Texas, and then getting into the storm shelter that's under it. Planning to put it back in service. I hope there aren't any snakes or radon.

I might sleep in there if the grid goes out.

August · 07-22-22, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

People underestimate the meaning of blackouts for water supplies, and flushing toilets. If the blackout lasts on, both are gone sooner or later, and if it lasts for some days, pipes and purifying plants need to be cleaned and desinfected, purifyer plants need to rebuilt major parts of their systems. Electricity may be back after a week - but water can be down for weeks to come.

Or,...

While city dwellers sit in their darkened cell block like basement apartments next to their rusty city water taps waiting for something drinkable to emerge, rural people have their own Artesian Wells and only need to power a water pump now and then to maintain pressure in the expansion tanks in order to have all the fresh, clean, filtered water that they want.

ET2SN · 08-16-22, 12:19 AM

One of the items you always want for a bail-out bag or kit is a dependable source for making a fire.

Probably the best tool for this job is a standard Zippo lighter with the original wet tank and flint insert. These "wet" type lighters will run on anything from lighter fuel to gasoline and even diesel fuel in a pinch. They are basically indestructible and simple to operate and also don't require a lot of room (you can easily pack two lighters, just in case).

The only real downside to the basic Zippo is that they will leak fuel in the case of long-term storage.

Here's a cool video I found. Pay attention to the Number 2 and Number 1 inserts.

These "Zorro" inserts have nifty shields for the bottom of the fuel tank and the wick.

This will make your lighter(s) a lot more leak and evaporation proof. BTW, make sure to store some extra flints under the fill cap.

06-18-22, 04:49 AM	#376
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,566 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	With many constructions, we affect climate and environment, and with the activity from these constructions. Its way more complex and interactive than you simplify it here. The climate always has chnaged, it never stayed the same. But somethign got a strong bias here, and at the direction of that bias it has tremedously accelerated to move. The bias is caused by us, by our sheer numbers of people. A fanfare, please: Tätärätäää: "We are too many!" (tm) "Was kümmert uns die Zukunft, wir beichten im Gebet: Verzeih' mir meine Habgier, denn mein ist der Planet!" - Udo Jürgens, refering to Gen 1, 26-28. (What do we care about the future,/we confess in prayer:/Forgive me my greed,/for mine is the planet!) But I admit civilizations long before or parrallel to the Christian one already walked into that trap, too, by allowing to become "too many", or staying in unsuitable places too long. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-18-22, 07:10 AM	#378
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,566 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Well, me too. I agree with the diagnosis that climate becomes warmer, and that humans significantly contribute to that effect by accelerating it. But i disagree wiht many of the conclusions drawn from that. I think it cannot be reversed by human action and in short time. What would be needed is to adapt (to living on a much warmer planet). But this I cannot see being done, instead: reality denial and the attempt to push back time by a hundred years. Also: massive abuse of ecology topics for implementing social engineering and wealth redistribution schemes and left-leaning socialist, even openly Marxist community models. A fundamental hijack of science, and a collective sanctionising and censoring of every scientist disagreeing with this "mainstream dogma". I disagree with the naive idea of that deindustrialisation and destroying technology would make the world better. But many seem to believe exactly this. I think without technology we are doomed to go extinct, and that technology, stemming from our human intellect our species has formed out, is part and self-expression of our species' biological evolution. Rejecting technology means rejecting evolution. However, I am against uncritical and unreflected naive excessive over-use of technology. Every coin has two sides. And a side rim. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-18-22 at 07:18 AM.

06-19-22, 01:12 PM	#379
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,885 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I’ve never really bit down hard on the climate change bandwagon hook. In fact once I saw it as a political bandwagon I let go and swam away. Too many other religious texts prove what mankind does trying to explain the natural world around him. No matter the religion they tend to blame themselves. Blood moon? Be warned you did something wrong. Solar Eclipse? It’s your fault the gods are angry. Floods? You sinner! Hurricanes, Volcanoes, Lightening, they write it’s something we must have done to cause it. Enter the Climate Change religion. So here we have people living in a desert and the water is drying up. And almost immediately out come the faithful pointing fingers accusing man for causing this disaster which has befallen them. When after some of my own inquiry I come to find out Arctic ice sheets, or the lack thereof, is thought to affect the location of the Jet Stream which in turn can lock in a blocking high pressure system which can dramatically reduce any chance of precipitation. Northern ice sheets and glaciers, or the lack thereof, in and around Arctic and The land of the Midnight Sun can not only affect the location of the Jet stream it can cause earth to wobble which can also affect climate. Now the religious faithful can lament the cause of arctic and Greenland ice melt is caused by man. That’s fine they can believe what they want to believe. As for me, I’m going with the idea of something called Mantle Plumes. Nature will take its course and the only thing is to get on your knees and pray because you can’t stop it. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 06-24-22 at 04:34 PM.

07-21-22, 01:50 PM	#380
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,885 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Only drawback I can see to this system is the powder has a three year shelf life. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

07-21-22, 03:48 PM	#381
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,566 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Nice if talking about biological con tamination. But how is it with chemical contamination? Pesticides, herbicides, artificial fertilizers from agriculture, urban fecal wastewater, industrial wastewater contaminated with heavy metals, gasoline, Diesel, even flight kerosin etc? The outdoor water cleaners I know are not suitable for this, but only for the filtration of protozoa, bacteria, and the deactivation of viruses. Not for chemical contamination. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-21-22, 04:42 PM	#382
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,885 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Well there’s that too . But to clarify I’m talking about survival situations and hopefully not long term either. As a general rule of thumb depending on the persons health and activity the human body cannot go with out water for not much more than three days. And considering the consequences of not having any water at all. I’ll take my chances with almost any good water filtration system. Without water you begin to lack of energy, develop headaches, dizziness and confusion. Then the possibility of heatstroke and heat cramps. Stiff joints that may eventually stick and not work properly. Raised or otherwise unregulated body temperature. Then the ever so pleasant thought of swelling in the brain, sharp changes in blood pressure, seizures and eventually death. For me it all boils down to the lessor of two evils. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-21-22 at 04:50 PM.

07-21-22, 06:09 PM	#385
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,885 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I don’t know if anyone has touched on this yet. But I remember having to inspect the contents of survival gear aboard ships. In the early days cases contained canned water. A little later production switched to water packs much like those Capri-Sun juice packs. Provided there was no damage both had extremely long shelf life. If contamination is as bad as you say. I suppose one could plan to store enough water for a certain length of time based on minimum daily requirements for a set number of people. Just like those ships survival rafts and lifeboats do. We’re not talking about quenching a thirst after plowing the lower 40 just what’s needed to survive. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 07-21-22 at 06:24 PM.

07-21-22, 06:48 PM	#387
Jeff-Groves Village Idiot Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,321 Downloads: 130 Uploads: 0	If your near a stream dig a Coyote well. Then distill the water. It's pretty simple to make a portable distiller. If your in a situation where a fire is out of the question? Perfectly clean water is down the list of what's gonna kill you! __________________ I don't do Stupid. So don't ask.

07-21-22, 09:29 PM	#388
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,287 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm looking forward to cutting into my friend's shed floor when I get back to Texas, and then getting into the storm shelter that's under it. Planning to put it back in service. I hope there aren't any snakes or radon. I might sleep in there if the grid goes out. __________________ ISRAEL: Essentially "The Alamo" 24/7, 365 since 1947

08-16-22, 12:19 AM	#390
ET2SN ET2/SS Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,532 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	One of the items you always want for a bail-out bag or kit is a dependable source for making a fire. Probably the best tool for this job is a standard Zippo lighter with the original wet tank and flint insert. These "wet" type lighters will run on anything from lighter fuel to gasoline and even diesel fuel in a pinch. They are basically indestructible and simple to operate and also don't require a lot of room (you can easily pack two lighters, just in case). The only real downside to the basic Zippo is that they will leak fuel in the case of long-term storage. Here's a cool video I found. Pay attention to the Number 2 and Number 1 inserts. These "Zorro" inserts have nifty shields for the bottom of the fuel tank and the wick. This will make your lighter(s) a lot more leak and evaporation proof. BTW, make sure to store some extra flints under the fill cap.