Julian Assange leaving? - Page 7

Rockstar · 04-19-19, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

You are right, we don't know; however, we do know anyone who was indicted in the Mueller probes did actually get at least some prison time, some thing to consider when "Individual One" has to answer for his part in the matters investigated...

...and, remember, once someone is convicted and sentenced in the Federal courts, they cannot 'bargain' for reduced prison time...
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everyone except those 13 Russians who hacked DNC emails

vienna · 04-22-19, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

everyone except those 13 Russians who hacked DNC emails

I should have worded my post better: all those who have been indicted and gone to court, either to plead guilty or who have decided to contest the indictment, have been convicted; the only outstanding current court action is Stone, who is frantically flailing about for some loophole to prevent actually having to go to trial; as far as the Russians, well, the indictments were mainly to 'connect the dots' to those in the US who were indicted for similar offenses and, basically, to remove the 'you can't indict me if you didn't indict them' sort of defense the Trump minions probably would have tried to use to avoid trial...

...it is also the reason there is a mention of "Individual 1" in the Cohen indictment/plea deal: it formally connects "Individual 1" to the crimes for which Cohen plead guilty and was sentenced; "Ind. 1" hasn't yet been indicted, but his participation in the violation of Federal law is established; its akin to Nixon being noted as an "unindicted co-conspirator in the Watergate court filings...

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Jimbuna · 05-01-19, 06:39 AM

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Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange has been sentenced to 50 weeks in jail for breaching his bail conditions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48118908

I wonder what will become of him after completion of his sentence

ikalugin · 05-01-19, 06:50 AM

I bet this is just enough time for US to go through the right motions.

Jimbuna · 05-01-19, 07:23 AM

You may well be correct

Skybird · 05-13-19, 04:24 AM

As was to be expected: Sweden reopens the case.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48253343

I Assange ever ends up in the US, additional, much more severe charges than those now known all of a sudden will appear like magic firework.

Jimbuna · 05-13-19, 11:50 AM

I should imagine that unless they have DNA samples the rape charge might be hard to prove after all this time.

Catfish · 05-13-19, 01:37 PM

It would be much easier to denunciate someone who has already been accused or convicted of rape. I do not see any reason for the Glorious West (tm) which now and then deviates a bit from the right path with wars of aggression, torturing and illegal methods, to make up "evidence" DNA-wise in this case. Who should counter-prove it?
Assange is already unsympathetic enough of course, but not yet enough to kill him.

Skybird · 05-13-19, 02:20 PM

Sweden is only a plan B, a fallback plan if plan A - USA -ö doe snot work. Anyhow, the idea is anyhow to keep pressure up on him and to have him taken out of aciton, if possible forever. He was locked away,m de facto i n the poast years alkready, and he will be locked away for much longer in the future. The revenge will be served cold and up to the last spoon of the dish, to execute a warning example to everybody what will happen if you blow the whistle.

The Swedish "rape" case is highly dubious, and was from beginning on. And sexual abuse works well to rally the crowd behind you and to kill somebody's reputation. Before you can mistreat him physically or lock him in forever, you must kill his reputation, if you want to get away with it.

If only he would not be so totally unsympathetic. It sucks to always defend a guy like this. I defend his case. But I cant stand the man.

Mr Quatro · 05-13-19, 03:11 PM

I can't believe how patient everyone has been on this man and his wrong doings ...

there I go again judging, but good golly Miss Molly seven years is a long time

Catfish · 05-13-19, 03:15 PM

^ What exactly ARE his wrongdoings?

Platapus · 05-13-19, 03:15 PM

There was not much that could be done with him when he was granted sanctuary in the Ecuadorian Embassy.

It was a waiting game and the judiciary is really good at waiting.

Mr Quatro · 05-13-19, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^ What exactly ARE his wrongdoings?

Sharing classified material received from a US Army specialist, convicted of his crime and served his/her time, meant to do harm to the US intelligence agencies, which it did do.

Catfish · 05-13-19, 03:24 PM

What about the US crimes he uncovered?
What about the US constitution and free speech?
Are crimes no crimes when the US comits them?

Platapus · 05-13-19, 03:34 PM

The courts have been reluctant on prosecuting journalists (how ever that is defined these days) who simply receive classified information and publish it. The responsibility is with the person with the security clearance and NDA for the violations. While it would be nice if journalists did not further disseminate classified information, the courts tend not to prosecute.

However, and this is large however, if the journalist conspires with the leaker, that can open up the journalist for prosecution. Now the 64 dollar question is what is and ain't conspiring?

Conspiring can be as simple as asking for the person to violate their NDA
Payment after the breaking of the NDA may or may not be prosecuted under the conspiracy.

Providing the leaker with any assistance before the breaking of the NDA is a huge no-no. That's what they are considering for Assange.

Did he provide Manning with any assistance before Manning broke the NDA? Providing Manning with hacking software or even setting up a secure way for Manning to transmit the classified information would be enough.

Talking to Manning is a grey area.

Right know, I don't know if there is any evidence that Manning and Assange actually communicated directly with each other. That is probably in the Bag of Evidence we have.

Successful prosecution of Assenge is not a slam dunk, especially if he was smart and covered his tracks. But I am sure there is a lot of smart people going through all of Manning's computer files and such. They are pretty good at finding stuff.

It will be an interesting case to follow.

I am less concerned with the Assanges of the world and more concerned with the Mannings. The Mannings are the ones with the clearance and NDA and it is the Mannings who broke the law and their oath. Those are the people we need to focus on.

We don't make journalists swear loyalty.

Eliminate people like the Mannings/snowdons and the journalists can go about their business.

05-01-19, 06:50 AM	#94
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I bet this is just enough time for US to go through the right motions. __________________ Grumpy as always.

05-01-19, 07:23 AM	#95
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You may well be correct __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

05-13-19, 04:24 AM	#96
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	As was to be expected: Sweden reopens the case. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48253343 I Assange ever ends up in the US, additional, much more severe charges than those now known all of a sudden will appear like magic firework. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-13-19, 11:50 AM	#97
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I should imagine that unless they have DNA samples the rape charge might be hard to prove after all this time. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

05-13-19, 01:37 PM	#98
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	It would be much easier to denunciate someone who has already been accused or convicted of rape. I do not see any reason for the Glorious West (tm) which now and then deviates a bit from the right path with wars of aggression, torturing and illegal methods, to make up "evidence" DNA-wise in this case. Who should counter-prove it? Assange is already unsympathetic enough of course, but not yet enough to kill him. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-13-19, 02:20 PM	#99
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Sweden is only a plan B, a fallback plan if plan A - USA -ö doe snot work. Anyhow, the idea is anyhow to keep pressure up on him and to have him taken out of aciton, if possible forever. He was locked away,m de facto i n the poast years alkready, and he will be locked away for much longer in the future. The revenge will be served cold and up to the last spoon of the dish, to execute a warning example to everybody what will happen if you blow the whistle. The Swedish "rape" case is highly dubious, and was from beginning on. And sexual abuse works well to rally the crowd behind you and to kill somebody's reputation. Before you can mistreat him physically or lock him in forever, you must kill his reputation, if you want to get away with it. If only he would not be so totally unsympathetic. It sucks to always defend a guy like this. I defend his case. But I cant stand the man. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-13-19, 03:11 PM	#100
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can't believe how patient everyone has been on this man and his wrong doings ... there I go again judging, but good golly Miss Molly seven years is a long time __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

05-13-19, 03:15 PM	#101
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ What exactly ARE his wrongdoings? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-13-19, 03:15 PM	#102
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,951 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	There was not much that could be done with him when he was granted sanctuary in the Ecuadorian Embassy. It was a waiting game and the judiciary is really good at waiting. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-13-19, 03:24 PM	#104
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	What about the US crimes he uncovered? What about the US constitution and free speech? Are crimes no crimes when the US comits them? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-13-19, 03:34 PM	#105
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,951 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The courts have been reluctant on prosecuting journalists (how ever that is defined these days) who simply receive classified information and publish it. The responsibility is with the person with the security clearance and NDA for the violations. While it would be nice if journalists did not further disseminate classified information, the courts tend not to prosecute. However, and this is large however, if the journalist conspires with the leaker, that can open up the journalist for prosecution. Now the 64 dollar question is what is and ain't conspiring? Conspiring can be as simple as asking for the person to violate their NDA Payment after the breaking of the NDA may or may not be prosecuted under the conspiracy. Providing the leaker with any assistance before the breaking of the NDA is a huge no-no. That's what they are considering for Assange. Did he provide Manning with any assistance before Manning broke the NDA? Providing Manning with hacking software or even setting up a secure way for Manning to transmit the classified information would be enough. Talking to Manning is a grey area. Right know, I don't know if there is any evidence that Manning and Assange actually communicated directly with each other. That is probably in the Bag of Evidence we have. Successful prosecution of Assenge is not a slam dunk, especially if he was smart and covered his tracks. But I am sure there is a lot of smart people going through all of Manning's computer files and such. They are pretty good at finding stuff. It will be an interesting case to follow. I am less concerned with the Assanges of the world and more concerned with the Mannings. The Mannings are the ones with the clearance and NDA and it is the Mannings who broke the law and their oath. Those are the people we need to focus on. We don't make journalists swear loyalty. Eliminate people like the Mannings/snowdons and the journalists can go about their business. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.