Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

Markus, you are NOT one of the ones I am talking about.

From what I have seen you don't tend give your opinions and theories like they were facts. You always qualify them with an "I believe" or "what I have heard" etc. I have never seen you act like you were an expert in the subject of war or geopolitics.

I think some others here believe they could have been real generals (or doctors / disease specialists) if someone had just recognized their mad skillz early enough in life. Now they sit behind their computers far from the front lines, pompously telling us what will happen or what Putin is planning like they even had a single clue.

But you are not them Markus.

Thank you Dave warm my heart. I have edit my post since you quoted me.

Here is what I wrote

I agree with Skybird on this. I have a lot more respect for the Ukrainian President than I have for the Russian President. In a Danish article it was said that USA gave the Ukrainian President an opportunity to flee the country-Instead he asked for ammo. RESPECT

Markus

[Red Devil]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Thank you Dave warm my heart. I have edit my post since you quoted me.

Here is what I wrote

I agree with Skybird on this. I have a lot more respect for the Ukrainian President than I have for the Russian President. In a Danish article it was said that USA gave the Ukrainian President an opportunity to flee the country-Instead he asked for ammo. RESPECT

Markus

Thats true, it was mentioned in GBNews only this morning

[Jimbuna]

In pictures: Kyiv under attack

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-60536824

[mapuc]

A thought

Denmark, France and other European countries has said they will send defensive weapon to Ukraine and medical equipment.

Aren't we so to say indirectly supporting one of the part in the war and thous taking part in the war ?

As Putin had warned us-If we take part in the war the response would be...

Markus

[Skybird]

The resistence of European states against blocking Russia from SWIFT, is melting away. Hungary, Cyprus, Italy have given it up. The biggest blocker is still Germany, and Luxemburg seems to still openly support it.



I have not found anything on France and Austria today. Have they already silently given up their resistance?


The left wing of the carricature-chancellors's own party has rejected the need to raise the defence budgets and insist on it even being lowered further. They still want NATO being dismantled. Once a CCCP vasall, always a CCCP vasall. Disgusting.

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

In a Danish article it was said that USA gave the Ukrainian President an opportunity to flee the country-Instead he asked for ammo.

Yeah you have to respect that. My leaders would be reaching out from undisclosed secure locations to tell us not to worry because THEY are safe from harm in their hardened underground bunkers.


It does make me wonder though if the Ukrainians have prepared a "government in exile" to take over if Kiev falls and Zelensky is killed or captured.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The resistence of European states against blocking Russia from SWIFT, is melting away. Hungary, Cyprus, Italy have given it up. The biggest blocker is still Germany, and Luxemburg seems to still openly support it. [...] .

Yesterday i wrote (falsely) that Baerbock was intending to cut off SWIFT, and Scholz slowly changing his mind. It was in the news shortly, but not for long Would be nice to see it happen, regardless the consequences for us.

Another thing is that more people are convinced that Putin will not stop after Ukraine, maybe not even for a month.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Another thing is that more people are convinced that Putin will not stop after Ukraine, maybe not even for a month.

I start to become relaxed a bit on that option, becasue the diouzbts are growing for me nthat he acually could march on. Things seem to not run too well for the Russian attackers, they seem to be significantly behing their plans and timetables alrready.

Worries give those Russian FAE rocket monsters they are bringing in. If they use these in cities, it could mean mass murder of civlians seeking shelter in the underground, these weapons are meant to bust huge bunkers, deep caves, but infantry in the open as well. Their effect is terrible.

They could also use them to clusterbomb suspected positions of Selensky who is rumoured to sit in a hardned bunker. Thats the kind of place these weapons primarily were once made for: to knock out sub bunkers at Murmansk is a common narration, I think.

That the Russians have no scruples they proved already in Syria.

I hope those many civilians who are now fighting in their towns and cities have good tactical professional soldiers as local commanders with good overview that can tell them in time when to get out and fall back. If oyu ahve no experience and trainign like as a civislan you usually do not have, you may hold out in a place for longer than is healthy when the Russians pack out the big guns. They have balls, but that does not make one invincible.


Urban fighting equalizes chances and reduces Russian weaponry advantage, the local residents know the place better, too. But that might be the reason why the Russians then attack with even less remorse and pack out the big bomber things earlier.

[Skybird]

Na huch...!? Germany is reported to have allowed the Netherlands to send 400 Panzerfäuste from German production. And 14 armoured vehicles.

Poland today again is heavily attacking Germany over its weapons and SWIFT policy.

I think Scholz sooner or later must give in. If the Russians use those thermobaric bombs, much sooner.


I wonder how long it takes to bring weapons from outside the ukraine into it and to the front. 24 hours? 36? Anyone having an idea?

[Catfish]

^ thermobaric bombs, i had forgotten that they could use those against civilists. And Putin wants to use them in cities with hard resistance. There has to be the question if Selensky should not better give up, but it seems the majority of the people in Ukraine do not want that. Putin, not Russia, is the aggressor, and they are beginning to hate him. His plan of a quick invasion has obviously backfired, up to now he got a bloody nose.
And shelling and bombing civilians has never broken a people's will.

Ex Nato General Domroese about Putin's tactics how to get hold on the larger cities, translation by Google:
https://www-n--tv-de.translate.goog/..._x_tr_pto=wapp


re Skybird "this video", i do not want to post this now. It is very good but it is also too late, and even the reasons mentioned (and that no one in the west wanted to hear) remain pale against what Putin right now does.
"Russia's strive for security" or only Putin's perception? What about the rest of the world's security and our views? Maybe Putin's view is wrong? Is his thirty year-old strategy and world view indeed so good and understandable nowadays? The world has changed, also for Russia. Not for Putin, obviously.

Yes, we were not informed good enough by the media who only tell us about the US and the latters opinions and world view, but still, nothing justifies Putin's aggression, not even the reasons he may have since 30 years.

According to Putin all Ukrainians are "drugged fascist jews". I wonder who advises him on propaganda, maybe some russians believe him since the state-controlled russian media spout this BS since decades, and the russian troll armies are strong.

Still, these are russians against russians fighting, this is so idiotic that at least some should see what is going on.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Thermobaric bombs, i had to look this up. And Putin wants to use them in cities with hard resistance.
According to Putin all Ukrainians are "drugged fascist jews". I wonder who advises him on propaganda, maybe some russians believe him since the state-controlled russian media spout this BS since decades, and the russian troll armies are strong.
Still, these are russians against russians fighting, this is so idiotic that at least some should see what is going on.

I posted this article on page 70

Here it is

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-advance.html

Another thing-What will our response be-If Putin use these type of weapons against civilians ??

Markus

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Another thing-What will our response be-If Putin use these type of weapons against civilians ??

Markus

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I posted this article on page 70
Here it is https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-advance.html

Another thing-What will our response be-If Putin use these type of weapons against civilians ?? Markus

Yes, i admit I overlooked this.

What will we do? Threaten Putin with a EU debate to bore him to death maybe?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Yes, i admit I overlooked this.

What will we do? Threaten Putin with a EU debate to bore him to death maybe?

Following is only pure speculation on what type of response NATO/EU would present if Putin use these Thermobaric bombs against cities in Ukraine.

Mr. Stoltenberg or Biden will in a TV transmission sending a warning to Putin next time he use these Thermobaric bombs on Ukrainian soil-will be seen as he has thrown it on NATO soil.

I think this is what will happen if Putin gives the go-ahead in using these Thermobaric bombs.

Don't know if I should hope I'm wrong or not.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

If he uses Thermobaric weapons, his victory will fall under " A hell of a git he's got"??!! Here is invader Vlad the Ganger's vision of Europe: