Here we go again-Ukraine once again pt2

[mapuc]

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^ All of the above is potentially foreseeable but who I wonder on the western side will be blamed.

Each and every one I suspect.

I’d seriously consider since their independence Ukraine was for 20 years pretty much just standing around with their trouser snake in hand doing nothing to bolster their own defense. Not until we got involved after seeing the sorry state they were in after Russia waltzed right into Crimea in 2014.

As far as U.S. interests are concerned Ukraine isn’t as important as maintaining our hegemony in Europe is, take for instance we will insist Germany buy their energy from us not Russia . Then comes breaking Russia’s military, economic machine and regional influence then working our way into Central Asia to deal directly with those independent nations with minimal Russian interference. Whether Ukraine ends up divided or wins intact is just a nice bonus but not really necessary

Like Skybird said so many years ago. Nations don’t have friends they have interests. Or something to that effect I can’t remember.

Still too far off to tell.

[mapuc]

Something to consider

Russia has the momentum right now.
The supply from west is historical low.
Foresee the end within a year or two from now.

Building lots of ammo factories in Ukraine could prevent this from happen. However it takes time to build and adjust the production of said ammo or weapon type.

The F16 may give a helping hand to those at the front.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Like Skybird said so many years ago. Nations don’t have friends they have interests. Or something to that effect I can’t remember.

Yes, I said that repeatedly, states have no friends, states have interests. But I attributed this quote to Jack Kornblum, former US ambassador to Germany (and a very smart thinker, I got the impression). Because I did not know that he was quoting somebody else as well. I meanwhile learned that the original author of this quote should have been Charles de Gaulles.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Building lots of ammo factories in Ukraine could prevent this from happen. However it takes time to build and adjust the production of said ammo or weapon type.

Factories needs reliable power, else they produce nothing. And they need better air defence, because they are immobile, huge, tasty, crispy targets with a big sign on their roofs: "Me first!"

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Factories needs reliable power, else they produce nothing. And they need better air defence, because they are immobile, huge, tasty, crispy targets with a big sign on their roofs: "Me first!"

You mean like in Russia?
Ah sorry I forgot some .. US policy forbids Ukraine to hit targets in Russia, be it ammo plants or oil-producing facilities.
So let us keep boiling the frog (Ukraine) and weep crocodile's tears.
And tell ourselves how corrupt Ukraine is, so they do not deserve any help from us (equally corrupt a$..holes).
And b.t.w. Jack Kornblum's "states have no friends, states have interests" was quoted some 20 years ago here by me, which was met by a bit of protest back then. Seems the number of pessimists is growing

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Factories needs reliable power, else they produce nothing. And they need better air defence, because they are immobile, huge, tasty, crispy targets with a big sign on their roofs: "Me first!"

Thank you for enlighten me-Didn't think in those terms that such a factory would be a first priority target.

Markus

[Skybird]

Zelenskji gave an interview in a hidden place. German media report he said that Babble Olaf told him he would not deliver Taurus because Putin threatened nuclear retaliation in that case.

And there you have it, the game is done. If this is true, before anything else it means that there is a hidden arrangement between the West and Russia that Russia will threaten to strike the West with nukes if the West sends weapons of a quality or quantity that could seriously endanger a Russian victory, and the West accepted it and thus says it will not do what would be needed to stop Russia, will only pose "as if" and do some not so relevant aid stuff that serves as an alibi. At least Babble Olaf has accepted Russian victory, and probably many other Western leaders as well.

Sorry, Ukraine, but you could as well stop here. You are screwed, and royally so. And lil' Olaf? Was a scared rabbid from da yone on. A new biogropahy written about him describes him exactly in the way I did two years ago: a Marxist in his youth days, and a child of the peace movement, he wanted to pedagocially influence Putin with low-dosed show effects to make him aware that he was behaving unpolite and that he would, be better off if playing by the rules again. Putin, the big cat, and Olaf the master tamer and diplomatic school teacher.



I wonder whether the reported health problems of Putin come from him maybe having laughed too much, too long, too hard. What was it with Lenin's "useful idiots"?

[Skybird]

About the mentioned biography of Bubble Olaf. Explains well why he is so small and irrelevant and arrogant.

https://www-focus-de.translate.goog/...en&_x_tr_hl=de


His boundless self-praise surrounds this tiny creature like a divinely glowing aura.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

You mean like in Russia?
Ah sorry I forgot some .. US policy forbids Ukraine to hit targets in Russia, be it ammo plants or oil-producing facilities.
So let us keep boiling the frog (Ukraine) and weep crocodile's tears.
And tell ourselves how corrupt Ukraine is, so they do not deserve any help from us (equally corrupt a$..holes).
And b.t.w. Jack Kornblum's "states have no friends, states have interests" was quoted some 20 years ago here by me, which was met by a bit of protest back then. Seems the number of pessimists is growing

No it was Skybird pretty sure he said here first.

As far as what the U.S. forbids. Considering its western economic financial aid that allows Ukraine to spend its own budget on the military hardware to strike inside Russia. The suggestion they don’t is imo a case of plausible deniability.

As I mentioned before the U.S. hasn’t imported Russian oil in over a year. Prices seem to be going up I think because the Saudis haven’t increased production to help meet demand and who can blame them. Biden and his side kick Jake the boy wonder took the Houthis off the terror watch list and stopped supporting Saudi Arabia’s fight against them.

[mapuc]

I am one of those who truly hope and believe that Ukraine somehow will survive as it is now-A divided country where these 4 Oblast are under Russian control.

Right now these hopes seems far away-Lack of ammo supply and lack of air defense missiles, not to forget weapons.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I am one of those who truly hope and believe that Ukraine somehow will survive as it is now-A divided country where these 4 Oblast are under Russian control.

Right now these hopes seems far away-Lack of ammo supply and lack of air defense missiles, not to forget weapons.

Markus

Me too it’s still too far off to be certain what will happen to Ukraine. But when you see Russian Cold War and WII era equipment and tanks on the field me thinks the Russian war machine has about had it.

However it’s also going take a lot more than the west just throwing money at the problem for Ukraine to win. They suffer from the lack manpower and need to mobilize and Europe needs to think about repatriating male Ukrainian nationals to join the cause.

We’ve already had our Bunker Hill so I’m not in anyway interested in getting directly involved fighting someone else’s. They’ve had 30 years to figure out what they want, they either do it themselves or surrender it’s their choice.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Me too it’s still too far off to be certain what will happen to Ukraine. But when you see Russian Cold War and WII era equipment and tanks on the field me thinks the Russian war machine has about had it.

However it’s also going take a lot more than the west just throwing money at the problem for Ukraine to win. They suffer from the lack manpower and need to mobilize and Europe needs to think about repatriating male Ukrainian nationals to join the cause.

We’ve already had our Bunker Hill so I’m not in anyway interested in getting directly involved fighting someone else’s. They’ve had 30 years to figure out what they want, they either do it themselves or surrender it’s their choice.

Two things came into my mind:

1. Do understand why you American isn't interested in fighting another war
2. The Ukrainian should lower the minimum age to 18 or 20 years of age. Thereby getting tens of thousands of new recruits.

Well they shall not make the same mistake as the Russian and throw them directly into the war without any basic training.

8-10 weeks would cover the most basic I think.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Two things came into my mind:

1. Do understand why you American isn't interested in fighting another war
2. The Ukrainian should lower the minimum age to 18 or 20 years of age. Thereby getting tens of thousands of new recruits.

Well they shall not make the same mistake as the Russian and throw them directly into the war without any basic training.

8-10 weeks would cover the most basic I think.

Markus

Increase in training is one of Oleksandr Syrsky stated goals. Takes time but it also makes a huge difference on the battlefield.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

And b.t.w. Jack Kornblum's "states have no friends, states have interests" was quoted some 20 years ago here by me, which was met by a bit of protest back then. Seems the number of pessimists is growing

I came across this quote in the autumn of 2013, when Jack Kornblum told it to a somewhat stunned and shocked German audience on Günther Jauch's show. It was about the American cell phone tapping operations against German government members and Merkel that had just become public at the time. You cannot have quoted him with that already 20 years ago then.
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/arti...muetigung.html