UK Politics Thread - Page 814

Catfish · 12-19-19, 05:31 AM

"The government's Brexit bill will enable more British judges to depart from previous rulings of the EU's top court, Downing Street says."

I take it the first change will be workers rights. And i do not mean foreign workers or immigrants. Longer working times, less money. Financing brexit has to come from somewhere.

Jimbuna · 12-19-19, 06:19 AM

The Tory manifesto pledged no decrease in workers rights.

Jimbuna · 12-19-19, 06:27 AM

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Scotland's first minister has called on the UK government to negotiate a transfer of powers to Holyrood to allow another referendum on independence.

Nicola Sturgeon said there was an "unarguable" mandate for a new vote after her SNP won 48 of Scotland's 59 seats in last week's general election.

She said a document containing her arguments and draft legislation will be sent to the UK government today.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson remains opposed to holding another referendum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-50843024

I'm not sure how this will eventually pan out but as I have said consistently 'Allow them their referendum and if the vote for leave wins they should understand they cannot use the pound sterling and they should also prior agree to taking with them a pre-agreed share of the national debt'

Catfish · 12-19-19, 06:32 AM

A manifesto and a pledge to get votes, by the Tories just of all. Good luck to see that happen.
Whatever, the fight will happen in England, not in Brussels.

Jimbuna · 12-19-19, 07:02 AM

Only time will tell Kai, as things currently stand Boris has been given a large majority by the electorate so must be given the opportunity to prove himself.

Jimbuna · 12-19-19, 08:21 AM

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The Queen has set out the Conservative government's agenda for the year ahead, following last week's decisive election win.

Legislation to take the UK out of the EU on 31 January was among more than 30 bills being announced during Thursday's State Opening of Parliament.

Other measures included guarantees on extra health service funding and longer sentences for violent criminals.

PM Boris Johnson says he wants to unite the UK and "level up" opportunity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50842124

My initial impression is that there is a lot in it but it will be of benefit to the country if it is carried through (more detail contained within the link).

STEED · 12-19-19, 12:28 PM

Rather boring and totally missable without Denis Skinner cracking a joke at Black Rod. Just no point to it anymore..

mapuc · 12-19-19, 12:33 PM

I envy you.

After Brexit your parliament can make laws and do not have to take EU into consideration.

Like. There is a majority for law xxx but due to EU it will not pass the Parliament.

Like here in Denmark.

There is a majority to ban Round-Up for private use, but due to EU the Danish government can't make a ban.

Markus

MGR1 · 12-19-19, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm not sure how this will eventually pan out but as I have said consistently 'Allow them their referendum and if the vote for leave wins they should understand they cannot use the pound sterling and they should also prior agree to taking with them a pre-agreed share of the national debt'

Careful, Jim - if that were to be the case then the UK's Gold Reserves and Gilts would be up for negotiation as well. A potential independant Scotland would be entitled to have a percentage of UK national assets, including those.

Besides, the SNP would spin it to their advantage - no need to give them any more free ammunition than neccessary. It would also make the pro-UK side's job that much harder.

Mike.

STEED · 12-19-19, 03:15 PM

Second hat into the ring...

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Shadow Treasury minister Clive Lewis has become the second MP to officially enter the race to replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50861140

Over to jim...

Jimbuna · 12-19-19, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1

Careful, Jim - if that were to be the case then the UK's Gold Reserves and Gilts would be up for negotiation as well. A potential independant Scotland would be entitled to have a percentage of UK national assets, including those.

Besides, the SNP would spin it to their advantage - no need to give them any more free ammunition than neccessary. It would also make the pro-UK side's job that much harder.

Mike.

Quite possibly but I'd be prepared to take the chance and call their bluff.

JU_88 · 12-20-19, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

"The government's Brexit bill will enable more British judges to depart from previous rulings of the EU's top court, Downing Street says."

I take it the first change will be workers rights. And i do not mean foreign workers or immigrants. Longer working times, less money. Financing brexit has to come from somewhere.

I think the Tories understand that their majority (particularly in the north) was conditional, if they damage workers rights or NHS etc, it will not go unoticed or unpunished.

Plus the likes of Boris and Mogg SHOULD have learned buy now that Less money for workers = Less consumer spending and worse economic output & less tax revenue.
Its pretty much agreed accross the political spectrum now that austerity doesnt work.

We will see if they remember that, if they do - good, if they dont they will quickly get the boot in some of those shiney new consituencies.

The Cons have made some very concrete promises this election cycle, while they may forget them - the electorate wont.

Most of the public knows the tories can be real 2 faced weasels, so we'll be watching them

Skybird · 12-20-19, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

Its pretty much agreed accross the political spectrum now that austerity doesnt work.

Unfortunately it is not understood that endlessly inflating the debt burden does not work either but systematically reduces the degrees of freedom a state has for action. The worse the money, the more clever the theories, said Hayek, meaning that the excuses for the bad money become increasingly creative. Meanwhile, the debts first start to cover and suffocate everything like ivy and fungi, and then are tried to be tackled by expropriating the tax payer more and more.

Modern money theory is one of the biggest intellectual suicide attempts I have ever witnessed. Piketty is old communist wine in new bottles. Giving credit to one, needs somebody else waiving consumation before. One can only lend what somebody else owns and is willing to lease away for some time. Maastricht is dead, state financing by central banks is common. Currency without material security backup is madness. Notes are no money. Politicians shall never, never, never be trusted so much that you leave them controlling the money. NEVER.

ikalugin · 12-20-19, 05:22 AM

Managing growth in demand (ie migration) may work better than managing growth in supply (ie via funding) as the growth in funding (both absolute after accounting for inflation and relative to the GDP) over the past decade did not help it.

STEED · 12-20-19, 05:49 AM

Next week as norm old STEED will be doing my look back on 2019 and look forward to 2020 in my usual sinicle witty banter way.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"The government's Brexit bill will enable more British judges to depart from previous rulings of the EU's top court, Downing Street says." I take it the first change will be workers rights. And i do not mean foreign workers or immigrants. Longer working times, less money. Financing brexit has to come from somewhere. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,217 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The Tory manifesto pledged no decrease in workers rights. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	A manifesto and a pledge to get votes, by the Tories just of all. Good luck to see that happen. Whatever, the fight will happen in England, not in Brussels. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,217 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Only time will tell Kai, as things currently stand Boris has been given a large majority by the electorate so must be given the opportunity to prove himself. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

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STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Rather boring and totally missable without Denis Skinner cracking a joke at Black Rod. Just no point to it anymore.. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,891 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I envy you. After Brexit your parliament can make laws and do not have to take EU into consideration. Like. There is a majority for law xxx but due to EU it will not pass the Parliament. Like here in Denmark. There is a majority to ban Round-Up for private use, but due to EU the Danish government can't make a ban. Markus

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ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Managing growth in demand (ie migration) may work better than managing growth in supply (ie via funding) as the growth in funding (both absolute after accounting for inflation and relative to the GDP) over the past decade did not help it. __________________ Grumpy as always.

12-20-19, 05:49 AM	#12210
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Next week as norm old STEED will be doing my look back on 2019 and look forward to 2020 in my usual sinicle witty banter way. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!