GER politics thread

[Dargo]

My advice against those far right parties do not and really do not cooperate in any way or say you are willing to if you do they will win elections look at the Netherlands one party said during election that they had no problem to talk with the far right that party lost half of it seats to the far right do not make the far right salonfähig take example of Belgium their they have a cordon sanitaire they refuse to cooperate with the far right with success for years.

[Skybird]

Quite spot on.



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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dargo

My advice against those far right parties do not and really do not cooperate in any way or say you are willing to if you do they will win elections look at the Netherlands one party said during election that they had no problem to talk with the far right that party lost half of it seats to the far right do not make the far right salonfähig take example of Belgium their they have a cordon sanitaire they refuse to cooperate with the far right with success for years.

We had that advice of yours in action the past years, we called it "Brandmauer gegen Rechts" (firewall against the right).

It completely backfired.

There will be three state elections in autumn. In two states at least the AfD promises to become the strongest party with turnouts polled to be between 30 and 35%. On national level the AfD continuesly grows.

You can try to ignore the monsters under your bed, but the crowd under your bed will only grow bigger this way.

One need sot see how the new Wagenknecht party limits AfD gains. Mind you, Wagenknecht is an SED-socialised arch communist in disguise. Why even bankers and economic conservatives fall for her is beyond me. She is dangerous becasue she is clever, but she may stumble over her big ego.

Read the essay I linked just one post above. It has some better advice on this to offer.

A German core problem is that the non-AfD parties offer no real alternatives to the messy coaltiioin there now is. Not in ideology (I do not differentiate between left and right populism anymore, I dispise both equally and see them as situation-dependent two faces of just one actor), not in goals, not in personnel.

The difference is the AfD maybe will do damage. The established parties already have done and still do termendous damage.

A big coalition CDU-SPD or a CDU-Green coalition to me is no alternative: the CDU is no alternative to Greens and socialists, since it is green and socialist itself now. An SPD partner will insist on eroding the state finances even more so than the CDU did and does, and the Greens will insist on their suicidal green deal policy and torpedoing of migration limitations and ending the debt brake at all costs. And in parts the CDU copies even these Green projects.

There are no real constructive alternatives in the German political landscape. All options are a total mess. All established parties are ideologically aligned. In principle we have a pseudo-parliament with unified bloc parties like in the GDR.


And it continues like this internatioanlly, on EU-level. Its a Philip Dickian nightmare.

[mapuc]

Even in Germany they treat the pain and not the cause of it.

There's a reason to why AfD has become so big in the German political Landscape and I don't think it has to do with the political mess which Skybird have described

Take care of the problems behind AfD's grow and they may shrink.

Markus

[Skybird]

But I stick to my earlier assessment, Markus: while the AfD personnel by majority might be Nazis, most people voting for them are NOT Nazis, but angry protest voters who are so sick of the sh!t the other parties serve them all years long thay they see no other alternative to voice their frustration and anger.


Like these parties also claim you are still free to say what you want in Germany, and by the letter of the law that is correct, althogh certain gender-specific opinions and non-compliant acts now are unde r penalty, which is ourrageosu and shows that madness has become the new normal. Still the practical everyday reality is different, and if you oppose the mainstream opinion at a university, deviate from the gender speech rules in public broadcasting agencies or write or say something in a paper, a book, in a show, you get mobbed, socially boycotted, economcally ruined, you get fired, sanctioned, you get your career ruined, your reputation destroyed, you get defamed and character-assassinated. There is no free speech in Germany anymore, the mob overlooks your words and deeds all the time and punishes you if you try to be not like them. Several polls from the past years again and again showed a majority of polled people anonymously agreeing that you are better advised to not freely speak your views in Germany anmyore, and watch your wordings and self-censor your voiced opinions carefully. The very real death threats you can easily trigger if critizing Muslim migrants, or Islam, or clan crime, not even mentioned, and that is my own experience as well from already two decades ago, as I repeatedly have exlained. Even the police was against me then and threatened me with "procedural consquences" if I would not shut up.

Well. The Islamic mosque we were dealing with back then now is under surveillance by the Staatsschutz and/or Vefassungsschutz I learned some months ago.

Most people voting for AfD are no Nazis. They are angry people who simply see no other way anymore to make themselves heard because the established parties all mistreat and abuse them day in, day out, tell them lies, gag them, betray them, exploit them, break promsies to them, subjugate them to their ideological madness.

Now imagine what would happen if they ban the AfD, as they consider to try (he hurdles are high). I predict that the whole population in the Eastern states would immediately go amiss for the other parties forever, bitterness would cook hot and a dramatic radicalisation would take place and even spill into the Western states of Germany.

Und dann wollen wir mal sehen was wird.

Today I read that some Green federal politician has complaind to the state TV that it did not put the AfD demonstration of the day before on top place in its headlines, but had another news headline first. Thats common in Germany. The state TV is a full state propaganda TV, and when it does not completely deliver on the wanted propaganda and narrative to control the public opinion, the parties immediately intervene. Which they can, since eptocial apparatzus is overrepresented in the control gremia.

The problem is not the AfD, but the underhanded, incompetent, ideologically fanatized leftist dishonest policy-making that has brought it forward and fosters its growth. Like Trump in the US. Both are symptoms, not the causes. The AfD originally was founded by an unrealistic political professor who opposed the Euro as a currency (and said he was pro EU nevertheless, which made me laugh about him from beginning on, its a ridiculous self-contradiction). It was an anti-Euro party, not more. Just later it got hijacked by the Brownies and the good professor was simply too kind a soul as to know how to fight that early on, until it was too late.

[mapuc]

Thank you Marc

I have no doubt that you're right on why some put their vote on AfD.
I think some of them also vote AfD due to your immigration problems

They will grow even bigger and the anti-AfD will not understand why instead they will go after the party and those who vote AfD.

Same in Sweden where Sweden Democrats grew bigger years after years and have now around 25 % and are now the second biggest party in Sweden.

Even here they are going after the party and those who support it.

It seems to be very easy and simple to kill the pain instead of fixing the cause of it.

Markus

[Skybird]

Short after the BSW, another party gets founded, this time a conservative one. It has its roots in a movement inside the CDU whose members did not agree with the softening and even deleting of traditional values by Merkel for which the CDU/CSU once claimed to be representative (before Merkel).

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I dont now too much about them. Maaßen was president of the office for the protection of the constitution, but was brought down when after an incident (related to a migrant claiming to "have been chased through the street)" he insisted on that the evaluation of all material the office collected it did not qalify for a description of a "mob chasing a man through the streets". I remember that by all what was published on that event he was right regarding the facts, while everybody around him turned hysterical and blew the event out of proprotion (at least that was as I saw the published details). I concluded for myself that this was most likely another opportunity the mainstream media and certain leftist lobby groups and activists wanted to play the racism card and the wicked white man card to once again defame the West in general and the Germans in special for not being open enough for more and unlimited migration. There was action in the street, no doubt, there were demonstrations going on, but nothing justifying it to describe it as a mob chasing a man through the street. Not by what the media were able to show.


Since then Maaßen gets stigmatized, defamed and they want to silence him at all cost, calling him a rightwing extremist. Which as far as I can say he is not. He is just quite value-conservative in the meaning of what the CDU/CSU once have been - before Merkel turned it into a club of spineless poodles who opportunistically pander to the left-wing Zeitgeist.

However, I am the last to declare him holy, he was and is a politician. So: I am on my guard nevertheless, and expecting nothing.

The potential of this new party is estimated to be in the range of 15%. Interested may come from AfD sympathizers whom the party is too Nazi, and disappointed CDU members whom this party has beocme too left and opportunistic. Seen this way the CDU has all reason to be worried. It will loose more blood to Maaßen's new party, I am sure.

The party landscape in germany is getting quite fractured. Thats dififcult for fomrign coaltiions, and is good for the Greens because it raises chances they make themselves indispensable coalition partners despite being punished at next elections due to their deasastrous record in the Scholz administration. Which is a deasaster for Germany, because the party basis is demandimg to become ever more fundamentalist and uncompromising as a conseqeunce of the last two years. Some say a Green-CDU coalition would be an alternative, to me it is a nightmare scenario. So is a coaliton again bringing Greens and the FDP together, two parties that simply do not belong into a coalition for sure.

There is no government coalition I would favour over the others. There is just an ever growing ocean of lousy options, one worse than the other and none beign wortyh to be supported or even just tolerated.

That predicts nothing good for Germany's future.

[Jimbuna]

Germany's hard-right AfD leader blasted as 'wolf in sheep's clothing' as immigration row erupts

The leader of the hard-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) has been accused of being a "wolf in sheep’s clothing" and warned that mass deportation plans have sparked fear among Germans.

The co-leader of the German Social Democrats (SPD) slammed Alice Weidel and described the AfD as "rightwing extremist".

During a parliamentary debate on "fortifying democracy", Lars Klingbeil said Weidel was a "wolf in sheep’s clothing" after her "teary-eyed" description of what she said was a "smear campaign" against the party.

It comes after private gathering of the party - which took place in November in Potsdam - discussed proposals for a mass deportation.

Klingbeil said revelations about the meeting on “remigration” had triggered concern across the country.
"Your facade is beginning to crumble," he said. "The true face of the AfD is clearly coming to light."

Demonstrators are set to carry out a sixth night of protests across Germany against the AfD.

Klingbeil added: "At kitchen tables across Germany, German citizens are having to discuss with each other whether they should flee their own country."

He also alleged that the AfD wants to "expel those who are not white enough, [or] have the ‘wrong’ surname."

Investigative journalism bureau Correctiv reported the contents of the meeting, which the AfD has confirmed attending, following an inquiry.

However, the party has denied its association with the organisers or the plans discussed to “name the backers planning this coup d’etat with you” at the event and at six other similar gatherings which allegedly took place since autumn 2021.

The latest polls shows the AfD remains the second-strongest political party, with no evidence that its ratings had been damaged by the revelations.

Following a fiery debate, AfD MPs rejected the accusations.

Bernd Baumann, the head of its parliamentary group, described the meeting as "a roundtable of businesses and self-employed people who regularly meet up to exchange thoughts" who had been defamed by the ruling coalition.

He said: "The wind is turning.

"Germany is going to get something new. The AfD is coming for Germany – whether you like it or not".
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...b070ee44&ei=51

[Jimbuna]

Germany to revive talks format with France, Poland at defence meet

The chairman of the Munich Security Conference, Christoph Heusgen, wants to bring together the leaders of France, Germany and Poland, namely Emmanuel Macron, Olaf Scholz and Donald Tusk, at the event in mid-February.

This would be a revival of the Weimar Triangle, a regional alliance of France, Germany, and Poland that was created in 1991.
"I think it's very important that we expand the Franco-German pairing to include Poland as the largest country in Eastern Europe. If that succeeds, it would be very nice. The invitation has been extended," Heusgen said during a podcast.

Looking ahead to the security conference itself, he said that despite numerous crises and conflicts around the world, the event should convey a message of diplomacy.

"We are bringing together politicians, the military and representatives of civil society so that they can find out where there is a silver lining on the horizon," Heusgen told the Table.Today podcast made by digital media company Table.Media.

Attendees at the event that is set to run from February 16 to 18 are to include US Vice President Kamala Harris.

As was the case last year, representatives of the Russian administration have not been invited. "[Russian President Vladimir] Putin would be arrested if he came," said Heusgen. He was referring to the fact that the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant against Putin last year for alleged war crimes in Moscow's war on Ukraine.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...bd47111e&ei=13

[Skybird]

Once again to the point of frenzy, dear Germans...? Really...?

https://www.nzz.ch/der-andere-blick/..._x_tr_pto=wapp

I am as repelled by these organized marches as I am by the Nazi idea itself. And I refuse to favor the political left over the right. And for the government, this band of loosers, it is a welcomed opportunity to distract the people from the lousy policy it does and the dangerous goals it persues.

[August]

[Skybird]

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What kind of idiots are they to realize this just now? That's exactly what I warned about already several years ago in some long-forgotten posting or thread, and without having to read it in a newspaper beforehand, because I am this overly gifted miracle boy who actually figured it out all by myself because it seemed so obvious to me - or is it that maybe I'm not so brilliant at all but it is them who are just too stupid for everything...?


Other German media than the one I linked to speak of a missing ammount of money for Superhabeck's superplan of around 500.000.000.000 (FIVE. HUNDRED. BILLION) supercoins.



Doof. Dööfer. Grün. Diese Trottel.

If you happen to know an energy supply company that feels too well off and wants to crash its finances by building German gas-fired power plants for hundreds of millions and billions of euros, which are only given a limited lifetime permit of a few years and are only allowed to run for a handful of days a year, please give them Germany's business card. We Germans burn every fool we can get! And even then, we still heat too much for our taste.

[Skybird]

Typical British understatement.

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[Skybird]

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Click on "Ich unterstütze bereits" (I already support). Its just a fake paywall.

[Skybird]

Practically no word on this in the German mainstream media, it needs a Swiss paper to write this.


https://www.nzz.ch/international/es-..._x_tr_pto=wapp


It smells intensely of an intrigue from the left-wing populist, state-supporting milieu: there are several elections coming up soon and the AfD is threatening to win at least two of them very clearly, the FDP, Greens and SPD are about to get sunk, the FDP may not even enter parliament, and the CDU is not much better off. And it seems to me that these now revelations and the nationwide mass outrage campaigns that have developed from them have come at just the right time. What a coincidence!


I can't stand right-wing populist rats, but I can't stand the ruling left-wing populist rat pack and the radical left-wing zeitgeist either, and I'm not going to jump to the support of the one against the other. To hell with both. The campaigning that is going on here, in which even school classes are now being commanded to participate and trade unions and professional associations are being ordered to demonstrate by higher-level association structures, and manipulative state media are "interviewing" their own employees as supposedly accidentally targeted participants, now reminds me far too much of the marches in the GDR.


The Germans are hysterical, bipolar romantics, and only ever waver between two extremes, never knowing moderation. Never. Always the same sh... with these collectivist nutcases.


Dangerous, collectivistic, left-ticking nutcases.