US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[u crank]

Originally Posted by skidman

Which of course is rather pointless when an imbecile with blood on his hands is sitting in the Oval Office.

That is a pretty startling statement. Got any factual details?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

I guess Trump suffers most of his derangement syndrome.

Can you blame him?

The Justice Department’s closing of its criminal case against President Trump's former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn on Thursday came as new red flags emerged from recently released documents revealing the FBI’s handling of the matter.

https://www.realclearinvestigations....se_123520.html

This is truly one of the most underhanded things to surface so far by the DOJ and the FBI in attempting to get something on President Trump. Michael Flynn's only real crimes were political. He had the temerity to oppose the Obama administration on their Iran policy and worse, against Obama's objections, took the National Security Adviser position in the Trump administration. Flynn was on the enemies list.

Since the documents were released last week, much attention has focused on a handwritten note by FBI counterintelligence head Bill Priestap in advance of the January 2017 interview with Flynn that would result in the retired lieutenant general being charged with lying to federal agents: “What is our goal?” Priestap asked, “Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”

In one text, dated February 10, Strzok tells Page he is heavily editing Pientka’s 302 form to the point he’s “trying not to completely re-write” it. Other messages reveal that Page, who did not attend the interview, reviewed the 302 form and made editing suggestions. On February 14, Page texts Strzok, "Is Andy good with the 302?" – presumably referring to FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe. The next day, February 15, the Flynn 302 was officially submitted and filed with the FBI.

On Thursday, shortly before news broke that the Justice Department was dropping the Flynn prosecution, Van Grack submitted a request to withdraw from the team of federal prosecutors on the Flynn case. Van Grack’s withdrawal request also came amid allegations he had withheld exculpatory information from Flynn’s attorneys that was contained in the document dump the previous week.

Van Grack is a guy who should be questioned under oath.

“The FBI set up General Flynn -- that is clear as day. There is FBI leadership ordering the case kept open when agents wanted to close it for lack of evidence, the discussion of getting Flynn to lie or trying to get him fired, the ambush interview, the withholding of exculpatory evidence, and many other acts of blatant malfeasance. None of this is standard procedure. It’s a naked abuse of authority.”

Rep. Devin Nunes

And there is more to come.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by skidman

Which of course is rather pointless when an imbecile with blood on his hands is sitting in the Oval Office.

Originally Posted by u crank

That is a pretty startling statement. Got any factual details?

The blood shed by previous POTUS

Donald Trump

Afghanistan

Barack Obama

Libya & Afghanistan

George W. Bush

Iraq freedom

Bill Clinton

Afghanistan plus
Failed to take out Ben laden resulting in 9/11

George H. W. Bush

Iraq desert storm Plus Naval aviator in World War II
(1942–1945). Shot down and received the Distinguished Flying Cross.

Ronald Reagan

Nicaragua Contra affair

Jimmy Carter

Iran conflict when two (2) helicopters collieded with each other killing all of the special forces
sent to free the American citizens being held hostage in Iran at the time. Mission aborted

Gerald Ford

World War II (1942–1945); combat on USS Monterey, discharged in 1946.

Richard Nixon

Vietnam plus
World War II (1942–1945); earned two battle stars for service in the Pacific.

Lyndon B. Johnson

Vietnam

John F. Kennedy

Vietnam plus Cuba

Dwight D. Eisenhower

WWII and Korea plus

Served as Supreme Allied Commander in Europe during World War II (1942–1945).

Harry S. Truman

Dropped the A bomb on Japan in WWII plus
National Guard service in Missouri (1905–1911); served in combat in France during World War I


Franklin D. Roosevelt

WWII

Herbert Hoover

helped guide US Marines in 1900 during the Boxer Rebellion.

[Rockstar]

I figure, every country, every leader and by extension every person on this planet who supports them, including you and me, has blood on our hands. All in the name of some religion or political slogan.


One of my favorite quotes, from a Hollywood movie of all things.

“...even when those who move you be Kings, or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus." Or that, "Virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.” ― King Baldwin IV in Kingdom of Heaven

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by u crank

That is a pretty startling statement. Got any factual details?

I was wondering the same thing.

I'm aware of Trump's boast about being able to kill someone without consequence, but as far as I know, that was just campaign hyperbole.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by MaDef

I was wondering the same thing.

I'm aware of Trump's boast about being able to kill someone without consequence, but as far as I know, that was just campaign hyperbole.

I'm pretty sure I know what he meant. It is a reference to the guy who drank fish tank cleaner and died. You remember when Trump told everyone to drink fish tank cleaner don't you?

[MaDef]

Did he? I seem to recall him being very optimistic that Hydroxychloroquine was showing promise as a treatment for those who had covid-19, don't recall him recommending anyone to self treat with aquarium cleaner.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Did he? I seem to recall him being very optimistic that Hydroxychloroquine was showing promise as a treatment for those who had covid-19, don't recall him recommending anyone to self treat with aquarium cleaner.

Of course he said no such thing. But you wouldn't know that by what the 'blood on his hands' crowd has insinuated.

[mapuc]

See the same here in this American politic thread.

People(Voters)is so fixated on the sitting President/government and the fault s/he or they have commit, that they forget what their own elected/trusted politicians have done.

It happens, when some of my friends accused the sitting government in Denmark for having voted for something, that I find something similar things, their trusted politicians have voted yes, when they was in charge.

Mostly it was about the EU or Refugees politics.

I have stopped doing this, because every time the answer is
Something like

Is not the same my party voted yes because...bla bla bla

Markus

[Catfish]

I guess the "war against corona virus" will be won the same way the war was won against Vietnam.
It got too expensive so all pretended that it was over.

[em2nought]

Obamagate is going to make Watergate seem like a silly high school prank. Richard Nixon should be happy. If Trump wins don't count on Obama getting a pardon. I wonder where an Islamic friendly ex-president might find safe haven without extradition? "No Extradition" being the top search on Obama officials browsers this week no doubt.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Obamagate is going to make Watergate seem like a silly high school prank. Richard Nixon should be happy. If Trump wins don't count on Obama getting a pardon. I wonder where an Islamic friendly ex-president might find safe haven without extradition? "No Extradition" being the top search on Obama officials browsers this week no doubt.

Wow! I hope so

Right before the election too taking VP Biden with him

[mapuc]

Now to something different. Still US-related.

Heard about this case on CNN some days ago and in the Danish news yesterday.

In my little world of justice

Shooting a person from behind can never be classified as self defence

Maybe your laws is different.

Markus

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Now to something different. Still US-related.

Heard about this case on CNN some days ago and in the Danish news yesterday.

In my little world of justice

Shooting a person from behind can never be classified as self defence

Maybe your laws is different.

Markus

You talking about the Georgia jogger murder? I agree and no, our laws are not different in that regard. I hope those two thugs get what they deserve.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by August

You talking about the Georgia jogger murder? I agree and no, our laws are not different in that regard. I hope those two thugs get what they deserve.

Yes. They claim self defence Which I have hart to see.

I hope they will get a verdict suitable for this crime.

Markus