Wuhan virus 2020

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

It's an educated opinion based upon actual review of raw data rather than taking "expert opinion" at face value without questioning any discrepancies between data and narrative.

Fact: 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1 are endemic
Fact: All four comprise the 2nd most common cause of colds (rhinovirus being the first).
Fact: in 2016 a woman in Greece presented with high fever, cough, and headache and rattling in her lungs at an ER. As her condition got worse and tests for flu, SARS/MERs, etc. were negative, they found she had 239E.
Hypothesis: The 1889 Russian Flu was actually caused by OC43. Fact: a woman in Dublin who was diagnosed with Russian Flu reported to her doctor that she could not taste her tea.
Fact: Lockdowns and social distancing to "flatten the curve" do nothing other than extend the duration of a pandemic as the virus mutates and goes through in multiple waves over the course of a few years.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/0...a-coronavirus/

It did more than flatten the curve, it bought time to get vaccinations made and distributed so that herd immunity could be attained with the minimum of deaths and the vaccinations are proven to be effective against the mutations as well so far.

Besides no one really knows what it would have been like to just let the virus run amok but we do know what it was like in Italy before lockdowns.

[Rockstar]

The virus is and has been running amok. They have found it in white tail deer and other wildlife. Since it seems political consensus dictates the only way to stop COVID is to vaccinate and stay inside. What do politicians suggest should we do about the animals, start killing them off, vaccinate them or see if we get them to wear a mask too.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

It did more than flatten the curve, it bought time to get vaccinations made and distributed so that herd immunity could be attained with the minimum of deaths and the vaccinations are proven to be effective against the mutations as well so far.

Besides no one really knows what it would have been like to just let the virus run amok but we do know what it was like in Italy before lockdowns.

The question in the back of my mind is what happens regarding the ability to create vaccines when this coronavirus becomes endemic and mutates more and more? Have we screwed ourselves into requiring annual boosters? No one likely knows for sure because there isn't any long term data. The flu vaccine isn't a good analogue because it's currently right around only 40% efficacious on average.

Except we probably *do* know what letting it just run amok might haven't looked like - Hong Kong Flu hit in 68 - a virulent H3N2 flu. It waned in late 69 going into 1970. It's now a seasonal strain. It initially had an IFR of 0.2% with top-end estimates of 4 million dead.

Best estimates for COVID are IFR 0.15% with around 4 million dead. Not a bad comparison to study between this and HK Flu.

The "problem" is the methodology in 68 wasn't as accurate to do the estimating. The other "problem" is all of the COVID data is a mess - combinations of cases counted multiple times for the same person, cases counted using extremely high Ct values, cases counted that are asymptomatic. It also is tainted by "died with" cases listed as "died from" where the frail and elderly might have been immunocompromised enough that they also picked up flu, c. diff., secondary bacterial pneumonia, etc. and it was never treated for.

Here's a recent article on covid IFR estimates: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33768536/

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

The virus is and has been running amok. They have found it in white tail deer and other wildlife. Since it seems political consensus dictates the only way to stop COVID is to vaccinate and stay inside. What do politicians suggest should we do about the animals, start killing them off, vaccinate them or see if we get them to wear a mask too.

Your comment made me truly sad, because it made me remember an article in a Danish newspaper.

It was about people who had started to mistreated cats. This should been done after report that cats can bear the corona virus.

Markus

[Catfish]

Again:



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It is not the corona virus that is running Amok.

[Rockstar]

Wait until your purchasing power tanks and inflation really sets in. COVID will seem so trivial.

[Catfish]

^ The antiva should not worry, they will be dead by then.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Wait until your purchasing power tanks and inflation really sets in. COVID will seem so trivial.

One of the best reasons to shut up and get vaccinated but that might make Biden look good so we can't have that, instead we have to invent reasons why vaccines are an evil plot by Bill Gates and so on and so forth.

People talk of the greatest generation and how people today couldn't live up to it and you know what, I agree. People back then were quite willing to do the small things that helped like live with rationing, give up pots and pans, restrict travel, etc. Today it's too much just to get a damned vaccination and wear a mask in public.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ The antiva should not worry, they will be dead by then.

Maybe so, but I gotta ask why obsess over anti vaxxers? In reality they are extremely few and so far I haven’t seen one anti-vaxxer comment here.

I have read about those who have gotten the full regimen, I have seen others post they stop after an adverse reaction and others who have say said they will wait until it’s fully approved.

You should be asking yourself. “If a COVID vaccine does turn out to be dangerous, who’s on the hook?”

Usually, drug manufacturers are liable for the safety of their products, and they spend many years developing and testing their drugs to ensure they are safe to use.

That's not how things work in a pandemic.

https://fortune.com/2021/04/07/covid...ion-liability/

Good luck hope your vaccine works like it should because if it doesn’t yer fooked. As for those who wish to wait and see good luck hope you remain COVID free and beat it if ya catch it.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Maybe so, but I gotta ask why obsess over anti vaxxers? In reality they are extremely few and so far I haven’t seen one anti-vaxxer comment here....

My understanding is they represent about 25% of the population.

[Skybird]

https://www.futurity.org/how-many-am...xxers-2578842/

A study of more than 1,000 demographically representative participants found that about 22% of Americans self-identify as anti-vaxxers, and tend to embrace the label as a form of social identity.

That matches previous reads over the past twenty years, that always pointed at a value of around 1 in 4.

[mapuc]

There is around 4.5 million Danes above the age 18 among these 800.000 has not answered the mail they got from the Danish serum institut, they have not booked an appointment.

So around 17 % has not yet booked an appointment.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

One of the best reasons to shut up and get vaccinated but that might make Biden look good so we can't have that, instead we have to invent reasons why vaccines are an evil plot by Bill Gates and so on and so forth.

People talk of the greatest generation and how people today couldn't live up to it and you know what, I agree. People back then were quite willing to do the small things that helped like live with rationing, give up pots and pans, restrict travel, etc. Today it's too much just to get a damned vaccination and wear a mask in public.

What about the wildlife that carry COVID, do we mandate they wear masks too? Give it rest nobody cares about your demands. Especially when your liberal leadership has time after time been caught disregarding the rules they impose on us. Minute I see that I start waving the b.s. flag. Start looking at the data, COVID deaths are falling, with the exception of hot spots herd immunity has been achieved time to move on.

Masks and vaccines do not cause inflation. But injecting multi trillions of dollars into our economy will. But people are so wrapped up in arguing over masks while you purchase power wanes day by day. Next stop government price controls and then CRASH. It’s gonna take you more than a box of masks to get you through what’s coming.

[Buddahaid]

That's your joke and what about it? You tell me.

[Arlo]

Seems someone has finally admitted that their participation in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the Covid virus or the well-being of humanity. Whodathunk?