Wuhan virus 2020

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

uh-uh.. seems the name of this thread is right, and it goes even further.

"Covid-19 "genetically engineered to target humans"
Li-Meng Yan and her team of researchers published a 26-page document laying out how Covid-19 could have been developed artificially in Chinese labs."

https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/late...98_232755.html

Link to original document, further south on the site:
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2EspxBKiUn


Again, "..could have been developed artificially in a laboratory". So, all smoke and mirrors?
Who to believe when everyone has an agenda..

[Skybird]

The following describes the medicla situation in Germany exclusively. The text was created in an interview with the chief infectiologist of a clinic in Munich, he is also head of the national task force on lethal infectous diseases and was the first doctor in Germany who treated Covid 19 patients when the pandemic had reached Germany early this year.
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No symptoms, a harmless feeling in the throat or life-threatening pneumonia: the range of disease processes triggered by the coronavirus is immense. Infectiologist Clemens Wendtner explains what helps when - and how good the corona therapy is after nine months.

Incidence, reproduction rate, exponential growth: since the beginning of the pandemic, we have adapted terms to our vocabulary that were previously foreign to ordinary people. Many people now speak naturally about the clinical classification of the various corona courses.

However, very few people know what it actually means to suffer a mild, moderate or severe course and what the respective therapy looks like. FOCUS Online has asked the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) and the Munich chief physician Clemens Wendtner.

What characterizes the different courses?

Asymptomatic course: We speak of an asymptomatic course of the disease if there are no signs of disease despite corona infection. This is especially the case with young and otherwise healthy people. It is difficult to say how many infections are asymptomatic - because those who do not develop any symptoms usually cannot be tested. They are therefore usually left out of the case statistics.

The unknowingly infected thus correspond to the so-called dark figure. Epidemiologists estimate them differently: While the Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research (MPI) assumes in a study that 1.8 times as many people across Germany have been infected with the virus than previously known, antibodies have Studies by the RKI, at least for the ex-corona hotspots Bad Feilnbach in Bavaria and Kupferzell in Baden-Württemberg, show significantly higher numbers of unreported cases. Accordingly, the number of those actually infected exceeds the number of cases reported so far by 2.6 or 3.9 times.

However, these numbers should not be extrapolated to the entire country, warns the RKI. A nationwide study is necessary for this - which has not yet existed.

1) Mild or mild course: Most people who have been shown to have tested positive develop a mild to moderate course of Covid-19. According to the RKI, this applies to around 81 percent of confirmed cases in Germany. If the course is mild, those affected usually show flu-like symptoms; primarily cough and fever. In addition, there may be muscle pain or headache, sore throat, runny nose, general exhaustion or tiredness as well as the loss of the sense of smell and taste.

2) Medium or moderate course: Anyone who develops pneumonia as a result of the Sars-CoV-2 infection is rated by the RKI as a case with a moderate course - if the pneumonia is so mild that the person does not have to go to hospital.

3) Severe course: According to the RKI, infected people are considered to be severe cases that doctors have to treat in the clinic because of or with their infection. According to the RKI, this corresponds to around 14 percent of the reported cases in this country. In addition to diffuse flu symptoms, they usually suffer from severe pneumonia, have difficulty breathing and their blood oxygen saturation is reduced.

4) Critical course: This includes the Covid 19 patients treated in the intensive care unit and the people who die with or from Corona. They usually have to be mechanically ventilated; multi-organ failure is possible. About five percent get so seriously ill. The mortality rate of Covid 19 intensive care patients in Germany is around 30 percent.
How does the treatment differ for the variously severe courses?

If a corona infection is mild to moderate, the body usually gets the virus under control itself within a few days. Meanwhile, pain relievers or cough suppressants may help relieve symptoms. There is still no drug specifically effective against Sars-CoV-2.

A medication package is usually used for the more severe courses - the worse the patient is, the more extensive it is, explains Clemens Wendtner, infectiologist and chief physician at Munich Clinic Schwabing. The "severe" courses that have to be treated in the hospital can therefore again be subdivided into mild, moderate and difficult.

A mild course then means a patient who tested positive and comes to the clinic with a high fever, severe respiratory problems and a slight need for oxygen (oxygen saturation> 94 percent). The initial therapy is then:

Oxygen through the nasal cannula; the oxygen content of the blood is measured using a clip on the finger.
Vitamin D3: Studies have shown that the sun vitamin can have a beneficial effect on the course of Covid-19.
low-dose heparin, i.e. a prophylactic dose of a blood thinner to prevent blood clots (thrombi) from forming. Studies show that Covid-19 can severely disrupt blood clotting. As a result, lumps often form, which can lead to dangerous vascular occlusions. This should be prevented by diluting the blood.

If the oxygen saturation falls well below 94 percent, clinicians speak of a moderate course. Often, severe pneumonia is added to the symptoms. For therapy this means:

significantly more oxygen; Artificial ventilation from outside may already be necessary.
Vitamin D3
high-dose heparin that is supposed to completely inhibit blood clotting. "This increases the risk of internal bleeding, but we have to take this risk," explains Wendtner. The otherwise threatened consequential damage caused by potential vascular occlusions, for example in the heart or brain, which can lead to a heart attack or stroke, is assessed by doctors as more serious.
Ex-Ebola drug Remdesivir: It is supposed to block the virus from multiplying in the body. However, it is only able to do this in the so-called viral phase, i.e. up to about the tenth day after the onset of symptoms, says Wendtner. As things stand today, the remedy no longer helps patients who come to the clinic afterwards; the damage to the organism has then already happened, the mere reduction of the viral load is no longer decisive for the further course. “After the tenth day, it's too late for remdesivir, so to speak. We do not have sufficient data that it will have a positive effect on the corona process. "
In addition, some in-patient patients receive an antibiotic at this stage because they have contracted a pneumococcal infection in addition to the corona infection.

If the oxygen saturation is less than 90 percent, doctors also speak of a severe course in the cases treated in hospital.

In the final stage of today's corona therapy, so to speak, they then use the corticosteroid dexamethasone. Studies from England, for example, have shown that the drug, which has so far been used in the treatment of allergies and autoimmune diseases, can help prevent an excessive - and in the worst case fatal - immune reaction of the body.

Head physician Wendtner calls the therapy options available to date for Covid-19 expandable. “With today's resources, we can help about fifty percent of the patients treated in hospitals. But if we look at the mortality rate of Covid intensive care patients, viewed worldwide it is still 40 to 50 percent. ”In Germany it is around 30 percent, in some clinics it is 20 percent. “That means that every fifth intensive care patient with corona still dies. Of course that is not satisfactory. "

Wendtner therefore advocates continuing to work consistently in drug research in addition to intensive vaccine development. "That is the reason why so many clinics are taking part in studies."


https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news..._12482085.html

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

uh-uh.. seems the name of this thread is right, and it goes even further.

"Covid-19 "genetically engineered to target humans"
Li-Meng Yan and her team of researchers published a 26-page document laying out how Covid-19 could have been developed artificially in Chinese labs."

https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/late...98_232755.html

Link to original document, further south on the site:
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2EspxBKiUn


Again, "..could have been developed artificially in a laboratory". So, all smoke and mirrors?
Who to believe when everyone has an agenda..

You may have noticed German media, namely Die Welt, covering the story of virus hunters tracing the virus back to a province different from Wuhan (Guandong is the name, I think), famous for its huge and exotic bat population, and that the virus was brought up there long before it reached the Wuhan wet market from where its spreading accelerated.

[Catfish]

^ the link is from mid-september 2020, and (quote):
"The receptor binding motif of SARS CoV-2 ppike cannot be born from nature
and should have been created through genetic engineering"

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

uh-uh.. seems the name of this thread is right, and it goes even further.

"Covid-19 "genetically engineered to target humans"
Li-Meng Yan and her team of researchers published a 26-page document laying out how Covid-19 could have been developed artificially in Chinese labs."

https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/late...98_232755.html

Link to original document, further south on the site:
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2EspxBKiUn


Again, "..could have been developed artificially in a laboratory". So, all smoke and mirrors?
Who to believe when everyone has an agenda..

That has been rumoured since the early days of it spreading but for some reason or other the theory wasn't pursued for very long by the media.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

The UK announces 7,143 new cases and 71 more Covid-related deaths. The cases are a daily record since mass testing began - but experts believe the figure was much higher in the Spring.

PM Boris Johnson apologises for "misspeaking" about new virus rules in north-east England.

Meanwhile, Education Secretary Gavin Williamson assures university students they will be able to go home at Christmas.

New York City introduces fines for people who refuse to wear masks.

The Spanish government is extending its Covid furlough scheme until the end of January, after reaching a deal with union bosses and employers.

The Czech Republic says it's going to declare a new state of emergency, potentially within days, as cases surge.

The US is just over a month away from its presidential election, and tonight incumbent Donald Trump will face challenger Joe Biden in the first of three debates. Mr Biden will want to focus heavily on President Trump’s handling of the pandemic, and the gap between what Donald Trump told the journalist Bob Woodward – that he had deliberately downplayed the risk of the virus – and what he told the American people.

Officials in Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, are preparing a burial site that will have 6,000 additional graves for people who've died of Covid-19.
Indonesia has the highest virus death toll in South East Asia, and is currently dealing with another surge in deaths. It has now had more than 280,000 reported infections, and more than 10,000 deaths.
The country has recorded more than 4,000 new cases of the virus each day for almost 10 days, despite limited testing.

[Jimbuna]

One million people have died worldwide from the coronavirus, just 10 months since it was first spotted in the Chinese city of Wuhan. More than half of all those confirmed dead come from the top five countries by death toll.

The US has recorded more than 205,000 deaths and over 7 million infections. Cases are once again rising; on average the country is reporting around 45,000 new cases each day. US President Donald Trump has repeatedly downplayed the risks of the virus, and critics accuse him of mishandling the pandemic

Brazil’s President Jair Bolsonaro has also dismissed the threat of the virus, even after catching it himself. The country is second by death toll worldwide, with a tally of more than 142,000

With more than 96,000 deaths, India has reported the third highest toll. But critics fear the government is under-counting the true numbers, as cases rise by tens of thousands daily – the country soared from five million to more than six million infections in a matter of days.

Mexico has recorded more than 76,000 deaths. Its authorities have already reopened much of its economy despite recording more than 700,000 infections – although the health ministry said the true number of cases is unknown due to limited testing.

And the country with the fifth highest death toll is the UK. Daily infection numbers have shot up in September, from a few hundred to several thousand per day. The government is imposing strict lockdown conditions in different parts of the country in a bid to combat the spread and to stop daily deaths from rising again.

[skidman]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Link to original document, further south on the site:
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2EspxBKiUn

Even for a reader with limited knowledge of molecular genetics of viruses and the spike protein of Sars-Cov2 there are some flaws in the reasoning of this (pre-print) paper. The most important: A natural recombination event within one or both possible hosts, bats and pangolins, simply can not be ruled out. The authors claim the specificity against humans supports the idea of parts of the SARS (1) virus being transferred in the lab to "produce" the new virus, but this specificity does not exists. We have seen the new virus crossing the species barrier, infecting felines, dogs, minks and other animals.

Again, "..could have been developed artificially in a laboratory". So, all smoke and mirrors?
Who to believe when everyone has an agenda..

Good question: Lets have a look at the authors' agenda:

The -erm- "Rule of Law Foundation":

https://rolfoundation.org/en/

The first author:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan

And the other authors:

https://scholar.google.com/citations...Q8kAAAAJ&hl=en
https://scholar.google.com/citations...vcwAAAAJ&hl=de
https://scholar.google.com/citations...BjsAAAAJ&hl=en

No further questions your honor

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

The prime minister apologised on Tuesday for failing to clarify new coronavirus restrictions in NE England.

A group of senior MPs has said introducing any new restrictions "would not be acceptable" without Parliament's approval.

Mr Johnson will host a press conference later with Prof Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance.

The PM will address a major UN conference on biodiversity later this evening.

In an unusually emotional address, Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Germans to "continue acting patiently" Germany has announced measures to limit the size of gatherings and fine those who break tracking rules.

Belgium's coronavirus death toll passes 10,000, while over 117,000 people have been infected.

Donald Trump and rival Joe Biden clash over vaccines and masks during a chaotic debate.

New York City has announced it will fine people who refuse to wear face masks or coverings.

The world has seen more than 33.6m coronavirus cases and 1m deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University

[Platapus]

We need to recognize that there is more to COVID-19 than a dichotomous state of dead/alive. I fear that there are too many people who just look at the odds of dying and consider the threat of COVID-19 to be low, and once avoided, there are no further concerns with COVID-19.

A co-worker of mine, my boss actually, was in the hospital for COVID-19. This was a few weeks ago. Messed him up pretty good but he "recovered" and was sent home.

Now he was back in the ER for what we understand to be swelling of the meninges (membranes that contain the brain). This can result in death, paralysis, or brain damage. Even if he "recovers" from this swelling, it may lead to other health issues.

By the way, he just turned 40 this year and is in pretty good physical condition. Old people like me may be the ones dying, but younger people are getting messed up by COVID.

This is why COVID needs to be taken seriously. It is much more than a rolling of the dice to avoid a 1-3% chance of dying. It can start a chain of health issues, some may be long lasting.

Recovery from COVID is a nebulous term. "not dying" is only part of the issue.

Mine is but one story among a million. But we have a good man in a hospital. He probably won't die, but he probably won't fully recover either.

Wear your masks, take the precautions, keep the social distancing.

We can't eliminate the risk, but we can mitigate it and all that is necessary is a little discomfort and inconvenience.

[Skybird]

^ Amen to that, that is what I have tried many times to bring to attention. As hard as it sounds, the numbers of dead always have concerned me the least, we know that the death rate is relatively low, at least in Germany (under 1% or so). Its the late-Covid syndromes, and the many so-called moderate cases that need to see hospitals from inside. The so-called recovered but not really recovered people. The long term health issues, some of wich haunt the surivivors for months, and will in case of some issues haunt them for the rest of their lives. The nuzmber sof these are higher than published, so much is clear, but we have nio trustwortyh statistics on how the number out exactly.

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We still do not know what virusses are, and why tey are there, what function they have in nature, but I follow this theory that while the human genome includes 8% of virus material (!) , virusses maybe are a way of the cells themselves to communicate with each other if they sit in different organisms, to transport pieces of information from the cells forming one mega culture (called organism) to another, with the purpose of mxing up the genome. Again: 8% of the human genome has been identified to be virus fragments - without that, we could and would not even exist as a species. To 8%, we are, genetically, virusses ourselves!

There is a strange expectation, and almost everybody, especially politicians, seem to fall victim to it, that is: once we have a vaccine , it all will be soon over, and the world and our lives will return to a normal mode that is a picking up with the old ways that we have left behind early this year. I think that is an illusion.

First, any vaccine will take time to spread, and we know not much about these vaccines, some of them, of the RNA-type, are totally knew, and their implications can easily show to be extremely unpleasant, even threatenign to the whole population. I explain afterwards, why.

Second, the willingness to get vaccinated, varies in different parts of the world, and even inside countries, some political powers openly agitate against them completely.

Third, experiences with vaccines for other, earlier Corona virus desease lead us to the conclusion that this new one maybe will not be much different and provide only time-limited immunity.

Fourth, the new vaccines get developed with much steam and pressure in the kettle. The huge jackpots that are at stake, motivate everybody to bypass proven security timetables and measures, or to hide unwanted side-effects. I listend to a lecture last week where the speaker - a virologist himself - pointed to the study group at Oxford, and he pointed out that there was an issue with their trials that almost nobody reported or took note of. During early trials in I think July, one quarter of their volunteers formed swallen lymphotic knots, severe headaches, nerve pains, and breathing problems after the shot, and had to be treated intensively. This was never reported in the media. The continuation of the trial was such that BEFORE the vaccination was applied, the subjects got very high doses of paracetamol. That is a serious methodological failure - but it is claimed that the trial runs nice and well and nothing went wrong, and the Brits claim that until today! No, this is not the way how you do it, sorry. I may be a medical layman, but I know a bit about methodology itself, and this is not how it is to be done. And there is another methodological problem: with those relatively low death numbers and low numbers of seriously ill cases, a validation of the risks of any vaccination will take more time than just one year, because there are not sufficient serious cases who could be tested for effect and risk against a control group. Thats why the dvelopement of vaccines usually takes many years. But in this case of Corona it all should not be like this anymore? - There is too much steam in the kettle, and the ways to a vaccination get dangerously short-cut, I fear. Thats why I am absolutely not in a hurry to get it. Not at all. If ever at all.For myself, I see no need.



I also remind of Astra Zeneca palying down a problem with one test person that mad ethems topping the tgrial for days. It later was revelaed by investugative research that in fact the perso formed a I think progressive myelitis caused by the vaccine. That is extremely painful, I think it means the myelin coating covering the neurons and that is broken up in frequent intervals and by this increasing the speed of electric potentials racing down that neuron, is breakign up completely, leaving the neuron uncovered. Now, that is not just a unplesant nuisnace anymore - that is damn serious. Its painful, and can cripple, even kill you, if memory does not fool me ( I learned about this in physiology 25 year ago.. )


Now, the RNA vaccination. Its a very new vaccination type that was never done before. Why is it unpredictable and why do I say it is risky? Because of this: the immune system has a memory, like a library where it notes down what infecitons and germs it already has met and what battle plan worked on them and so it knows about the Who and How. Certain killer cells of the immune system react to remains of proteins fabricated inside infected cells that a virus has taken over. The killer cells identify an infected cell by these remaining "wastes", and then know "Oh, there is a cell that has this waste, it is infected, lets move in and wipe that infected cell out". And the killer cell attacks and neutralises the infected cell. Now, the new genetic vaccinations inject active virus RNA fragments into the body intentionally. This is what makes them different from any other vaccination we have ever had before (using deactivated virus material instead), and nobody thus can say what the consequences will be. The risk that not few medical experts now fear for, is this: because these virus fragments do not just link up to already infected cells, but move near to ALL cells, even healthy ones, because the active virus RNA fragments flow everywhere in the blood stream and so are being transported to all organ systems and all cells in the body, makes the immune system ringing alarm bells everywhere in the body, and starting to counter attack everywhere in the body - even in healthy, uninfected cells and organs. "Let the crows fly in your vicinity, and get shot with them", so to speak. What you get then is a classical auto-immune reaction, the immune system starts to turn against its own organism that it should protect - but now starts to cluster-bomb it into the ground, because virus RNA fragments are swimming everywhere and have flooded the whole blood vessel system. This risk is real, nobody knows how serious it can become, but there is real concern and solid reason why to be worried. I say it clearly: this type of vaccination I will not voluntarily accept. Not now, not in three years.

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And all this are the reasons that bring me and have brought me to my tactic for approaching the situation: physical and social hygiene, and - strengthening the immune system as nature's natural way of how to help the individual organism to get along with a new virus. we live with virusses since millenia, and got along and survived. The need now to hurry medical procedures maybe are not due to medical needs - but the needs of our modern and very dysfunctional, inhumane, stressful ways of living and the ways of systematically organising them in societies and economic structures!? Our bad food habits being part of that problem, and symptom of it at the same time. Covid-19 has unmasked a dramatic Vitamine-D deficiency pandemic, some say, and I agree absolutely with that, but it is not just Vitamine D (which is no vitamine, but a hormone, but that just btw). Many other nutrition variables are missing in our daily food as well. Vitamine C. B. K. Selen. Coencyme Q10. Magnesium. Iod. The balance between Omega 6 and Omega 3 acids is off the needed ratio by high factors of up to 30! And so much more. Idiot that I am, I once knew about this, due to a girlfriend many years ago who was ecotrophologist - and then I forgot about it. Stupid me. This summer, I went back to all that, and dove deep into the matter for a second time. Covid 19 also is a serious food deficiency crisis - especially in the nutrition-rich first world, ironically. You see, calories and carbon hydrates alone are just not enough. The knowledge of people, especially the young, about food and nutrition needs, tends to go against zero. The food industry does not mind to slowly kill them by scores. And now, we pay the price for that. The price comes by the name of Covid-19.

I agree with Platapus' recommendations, I just want to add: learn about food again. Micro nutrition substances. Its essential, iuts what keeps you alive, and healthy - or not, if you ignore it too long. Practcially all c hrinc deseases and auto-immune desease can be explained by bad nutrition and lacking ingredients. Learn about nutrition again. Fire modern food coaches that fol,low the vogues without really knowing what they talk about, the ammount of BS printed everyday on the latest diat and food, is hilarious. Learn the basics, learn about the individual substances and elements and ingredients, and learn about them by independent, scientific elaborations. Avoid commercials and advertising sites, stay with the fact-oriented stuff. Be aware of the enormous influence of the pharma lobby, their lack of interest for a healthy population should always be on your mind. Their influence in politics as well. In Germany, some years ago we had a consumer protection ministress who warned against too strict bans of tobacco advertising, because if the adverts would be banned, less cigarettes would be bought, and the state would get less tobacco taxes then. And she even said that openly during a press conference! Our current empty-headed nothingness leading that ministry now wants to regulate EU-wide all food supplemenets to therapeutically non-effective doses or ban their selling alltogether! Do you think you have really any good reason to trust in that politicians in your country are any better...?

[Mr Quatro]

Good grief Sky are you writing a book