[REL]OM V40X Beta

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by AntEater

And what about the accoustics? I suppose you removed them for operation monsun, and forgot to put them back in...

Torpedo loadouts in beta 2 are from following documentation from the following site

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm


Permanent Order No. 40 Equipment with Torpedoes

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30323.htm


Serial Order No. 40. April 1944 issue.
Equipment with torpedoes.

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB30350.htm


Current Order No. 60 of November 1944

http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUOrder60.htm

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by W4chund

The same Effect with VIIb if i chosing the Reartube, the 2 Gyroangle Switch jumping between 210 till 150 degrees, if you compare it with a Compass Rose. Every Second 2 Jumps. I have deactivate Manual Targeting and no Target lock. Sorry i don´t know how to explain it correctly in English, cause i´m German. Maybe i write it in German and somebody can Translate it?

Also:

Ich gehe zur Angriffskarte um Torpedoeinstellungen vorzunehmen, habe allerdings noch kein Ziel aufgeschaltet. Wähle eines oder beide Rückwärtungen Torpedorohre, je nach Typ per Salve oder durch anklicken. Sobald ein hinteres Rohr ausgewählt wurde fangen die Regler für den "Gyroangel" an zu tanzen. Der linke springt immer von 210 bis 150 Grad, der andere im selben Takt. Wenn ich in der Commando Zentrale bin springen die beiden Anzeigen genauso.
Manuelle Zielbrechnung ist nicht aktiviert.
Mehr ist es eigentlich nicht, ich wundere mich halt nur über die "Tanzenden" Regler.

Und wo es grad so schön ist, wäre Super wenn man es einbauen könnte die durchquerung des Nord- Ostsee Kanales zu überspringen und Brunsbüttel als Startpunkt hat, wenn Kile der Heimathafen ist und man ausserhalb des Hafen starten möchte. Im Moment ist es sehr mühselig durch den Kanal zu kommen.

Google "translation" give me a "strange" readout, but I think I have the idea.

Was this a beta 1 or beta 2 issue

[AntEater]

Same crash bug with 6th Flottilla in July 1942.

Re the torpedoes, I don't get any guided torps when I start a career in 1944. Only normal and FAT/LUT.
These documents are really a good source, only they're not used in the game apparently, especially since the Type IX still carries electric torpedoes in deck containers, something that was technically not possible.
Also, the final conning tower of the VIIC still has no Radar warning reciever and every VIIC from 1943 has Radar. Do you have any documents to prove that every VIIC from 1943 on had radar? Radar should be a very expensive semi-experimental upgrad until early 45. And the early "Seetakt" adaptions did not work at all.
At least the final conning tower should have a RWR slot.
The only time I've sofar encountered the T-V as loadout was with a VIIC 41 in Sept 1944 in 11th Flottilla.
Incidentally, the VIIC 41 has a radar warning reciever (but still it has Radar by default).
AFAIK T-V should be available from late 1943 on all boats.

[W4chund]

Originally Posted by lurker_hlb3

Google "translation" give me a "strange" readout, but I think I have the idea.

Was this a beta 1 or beta 2 issue

Saw this in Beta 2 only! Sorry for the "strange" readout, i thought Anteater would Translate.

[AntEater]

Sorry, I saw it too late.

But I second that on Brunsbüttel instead of Kiel. As long as the "auto Kanal waypoint" of SH3 doesnt come back, navigating the NOK is simply a nuisance.
Since navigating the Kanal is done by a pilot, it is technically not even wrong
Just had another, more serious bug.
11th Flottilla, September 1944, VIIC41, crashed when loading the mission.

[lurker_hlb3]

For both AntEater & W4chund , I got the message. My first priority are the CTD's the rest I will look into. Don't expect a "patch" in the next 5 minutes.

[AntEater]

I don't
I just list everything I note. Actually I'd do some changes myself if I knew how. The file structure of SH4 has always been a mystery to me. In SH3 everything was in a few .cfg files but in SH4 there are dozens of files which all seem to do the same.
And the U-Boat addon made it even worse.

[W4chund]

Whooooot, u can´t release a Patch all 5 Minutes after we reporting a Bug???

Don´t Care, i´m not awaiting that u disregard ur Live and spending all ur Time to clear the Butch from the SH4 developors. Do like u want, notice the Reports from the Gamers and take the Time u needed. I´m know Programming is very difficult and Testers, like me, who can´t explain a bug exactly in ur Language are not easy to Handle.
But i´m a One who can wait.

By the way, i startet a new Career in Feb. 1941, 7th Flt. Habour Nice. I were send to a Point SW of England to cut the US- GB Supply Line. On the half Way i found a very Large Convoy Heading from South to England. My Question, is it correct this Convoy has 3/4 Vessels of Neutral Countrys in it ( Greece, Panama, Argentinia, Spain)? There were only 6 of 20 Vessels from US and UK + 4 Escort Ships.

[cgjimeneza]

[quote
By the way, i startet a new Career in Feb. 1941, 7th Flt. Habour Nice. I were send to a Point SW of England to cut the US- GB Supply Line. On the half Way i found a very Large Convoy Heading from South to England. My Question, is it correct this Convoy has 3/4 Vessels of Neutral Countrys in it ( Greece, Panama, Argentinia, Spain)? There were only 6 of 20 Vessels from US and UK + 4 Escort Ships.[/quote]

think it this way...

you can sail alone, be lighted and cross your fingers, or you can hitch yourself to a convoy.

another thing... what if you are a greek vessel hired to transport some cargo...its not only the flag you fly but what bussiness you are involved in...

think about it

Doenitz changed the ROE of the Uboat arm many times, and if a ship is in a declared war zone, he`s taking a risk, thats what calls for your judgement in wether to engage a ship flying a neutral flag or not...

you can consider that while Argentina and Panama dont have much of a navy they have signed a mutual defence agreement with the US, so firing on them can be bad for von Ribbentrop to explain, another is that Argentina has a population of Italian and German extraction and they are a bit pro Germany at the time (the Spee might have survived if it had gone to Buenos Aires instead of Montevideo)

so at the end it comes to your judgement, enjoy the game, we know a lot of things the Kaleuns of old didnt and the game engine is not omnipresent so we have to decide for ourselves a lot of things

[lurker_hlb3]

This is a response to various bug reports from beta 2

Same crash bug with 6th Flotilla in July 1942.

Corrected

Chose late 1944, VIIC and loaded it with all the heaviest flaks and propped it full of torpedoes, started mission and CTD. (It CTD`ed while loading) Earlier 1944 worked.

11th Flotilla, September 1944, VIIC41, crashed when loading the mission.

Corrected

Another bug: 10th Flotilla still causing a CTD in 1943

Unable to recreate. Tried both the IXC & IXC/40

Re the equipment of conning towers and such, this is second priority, but it still bugs me. How can I remove all that fancy radar?

and every VIIC from 1943 has Radar.

Currently FUMO30 Radar start showing up on 1 March 1943. This date is based on the following statement at U-Boat.net

FuMO 30

This was an improved version of the rotating mast version of FMG 41G (gU), with a direction finder added, ready in late 1942. It was built into all U-boats. However, it was easily disabled by depth charges or bombs, and the antennas corroded in the salt water. Commanders did not like to use it, because they feared that it gave away their position.

http://www.uboat.net/technical/radar.htm

Also, I'd suggest increasing the lethality of aircraft bombs/depth charges adar.

And if they attacked I often had heavy damage, but never fatal damage. It seems still that japanese aircraft are more lethal than british, which is the wrong way around.

The aircraft are currently are loaded with various airborne depth charges

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WAMBR_ASW.htm

I will look into giving them a little bit bigger boom.

Re the torpedoes, I don't get any guided torps when I start a career in 1944. Only normal and FAT/LUT.Re the torpedoes, I don't get any guided torps when I start a career in 1944. Only normal and FAT/LUT.

AFAIK T-V should be available from late 1943 on all boats.

The T5 is now set for 1943-09-01 based on this statement from Uboat.net

The Zaunköning (Wren) came into service during the autumn of 1943

http://www.uboat.net/technical/torpedoes.htm

Also, the final conning tower of the VIIC still has no Radar warning receiver

At least the final conning tower should have a RWR slot.

This was a "bug" in the "stock settings" of the UpgradePack.upc file

Switching to Attack Map. Select Salve and both Rear tubes V/VI. Gyro angle Switch starting to whirl around.
This Effect is also displayed in the Com. Center.

This will only happen if you have the periscope in the "default" position of 000 when you select the "aft torpedo tubes". If you move the periscope a few degrees left or right of 000 the "problems" goes away.

Might be already a known issue because it's just an eyecandy thingy and therefore not fixed yet.. anyway... found these little glitches on the VIIb (7th Flottilla, Kiel, 3rd of Sept '39).

Corrected with ZeeWolf new Turms

But I second that on Brunsbüttel instead of Kiel. As long as the "auto Kanal waypoint" of SH3 doesnt come back, navigating the NOK is simply a nuisance.

Und wo es grad so schön ist, wäre Super wenn man es einbauen könnte die durchquerung des Nord- Ostsee Kanales zu überspringen und Brunsbüttel als Startpunkt hat, wenn Kile der Heimathafen ist und man ausserhalb des Hafen starten möchte. Im Moment ist es sehr mühselig durch den Kanal zu kommen.

Update “at sea” departure point for Kiel to the western exit of the Kiel canal at Brunsbüttel



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Beta 3 will release on Saturday

[AntEater]

I would really suggest to remove the radar alltogether, since the mechanical unreliability is not there in SH4. It gives a totally unrealistic advantage to late war careers.
I've read a lot of books about the submarine war, and the only time I've read about a working radar that was actually used was about a hohentwiel set installed in U 234 on its abortive japan voyage. That was May 1945.
A whole lot of people didn't even know that radar for submarines was available!
I know U 995 carries Hohentwiel as well, but keep in mind that the present condition is not historic.
U 995 was just under refit into a snorkel boat when the war ended but made all its patrols without Snorkel and without Radar.

[Wilcke]

...thanks for the Western exit...one piece of realism that after a hundred transits one can do without!

Brilliant stuff!

[lurker_hlb3]

Originally Posted by AntEater

I would really suggest to remove the radar alltogether, since the mechanical unreliability is not there in SH4. It gives a totally unrealistic advantage to late war careers.
I've read a lot of books about the submarine war, and the only time I've read about a working radar that was actually used was about a hohentwiel set installed in U 234 on its abortive japan voyage. That was May 1945.
A whole lot of people didn't even know that radar for submarines was available!
I know U 995 carries Hohentwiel as well, but keep in mind that the present condition is not historic.
U 995 was just under refit into a snorkel boat when the war ended but made all its patrols without Snorkel and without Radar.

Based on addition research form “The Encyclopedia of U-boats, From 1904 to Present” and "Warship Pictorial #27 Kriegsmarine Type VII U-Boats", the only radar that will be used in OM will be the FUMO 61 Hohentwiel with a start data of Sept 1 1943. The following U-Boats will be equipped with this radar Type VIIC, Type VIIC/42, Type 9C, Type 9C/40 and Type 9D2

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by AntEater

I would really suggest to remove the radar alltogether, since the mechanical unreliability is not there in SH4. It gives a totally unrealistic advantage to late war careers.
I've read a lot of books about the submarine war, and the only time I've read about a working radar that was actually used was about a hohentwiel set installed in U 234 on its abortive japan voyage. That was May 1945.
A whole lot of people didn't even know that radar for submarines was available!
I know U 995 carries Hohentwiel as well, but keep in mind that the present condition is not historic.
U 995 was just under refit into a snorkel boat when the war ended but made all its patrols without Snorkel and without Radar.

Do you have Eberhard Rössler's book on U-boat development? He writes about how 64 FuMO61 Hohentwiel sets had been installed in operational boats by 20 September 1944, with a further 32 planned. U-862, operating out of Penang, reported it was picking up merchant contacts at about 7.5km or so with the gear. A further dozen or so boats had reported it was succesfully used as a aircraft warning device, a tactic reflected by Current Order No. 42.

Now, if you're talking about FuMO29, then yeah, that radar set was a piece of junk and wasn't installed in many boats. FuMO30 - who knows? I've only seen the quote by Uboat.net that says it was installed in "all boats."

[Orion2012]

Originally Posted by Wilcke

...thanks for the Western exit...one piece of realism that after a hundred transits one can do without!

Brilliant stuff!

Agreed. Sailing the Kiel Canal is just one thing I can't do at 4x time compression. I would almost rather just sail around!

Also On January 6th 1944, out of Penang I received orders from COMSUBPAC??